Re: Origin of Ge. saberdzneti / berdz

On Oct 20, 6:20 am, António Marques <m...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
On Oct 16, 2:01 am, Nikos Sarantakos<sar...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
Hi all

The words for Greece and the Greeks in various languages fall into
three groups. By far the biggest is the Greece group (Grece,
Griechenland, Kreikka etc.), originating from Γραικοί/Graikoi and . A
second group uses words originating from Ιωνες/Ionians, like the
Turkish Yunanistan. A third smaller group uses names originating from

ottoman purists objected to Yunanistan becasue in arabic al-yu:na:n
was already a place name, apparent in turkish in YunanlI meaning "from
Yunan". actually turkish has two words one YunanlI meaning a citizen
of Greece and Rum meaning a greek from Turkey or Cyprus or some other
place. ru:m is still found in some expressions like ka:thu:likiyy
ru:miyy for Greek (not Roman, i.e. Latin rite, but Greek rite,
recognizing the Pope) Catholic

Grrrr. 'Roman' does not mean 'Latin'. 'Roman Catholic' is a label
originally applied by non-'Roman Catholics', which means 'in communion
with the Pope of Rome'. Whereas in strict 'roman catholic' thinking,
'roman catholic' means 'a roman who is catholic'. Eastern catholics
(greek or otherwise) are roman as well in the common acception; western
catholics who are not from the city of Rome itself are not 'roman
catholic' in the strict sense.
Some eastern catholics think they are not 'roman catholic' because
'roman catholic' means 'latin catholic'. Since, however, 'roman
catholic' does not mean 'latin catholic', they are wrong on that count.
Of course, as far as the church is concerned, they are not 'roman
catholic', but that's because they are not from Rome; the church doesn't
internally recognise the worldly meaning of 'roman catholic', but only
knows 'catholic'.


you are probably right, but in the arab world where latin rite
catholics (ka:*th*u:li:kiy la:ti:niyy) are a minority these
distinctions are important

--
António Marques
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