Re: Magdalenian experiment (continuation)

Metals in fairy tales (part 2)

Joseph Jacobs, working a good hundred years
ago, called the fairy tale of the Battle of the Birds,
occurring in many variants, the "most interesting
of all folk tales" which "belongs to the story-store
of the original Aryans, whoever they were," and
it was passed "on to the Hellenes" and Indians,
reached Madagascar, Scandinavia, and the
Celtic area. Here my brief summary:

The king of Tethertown saves a raven by beheading
a snake, flies on the raven over mountains, glens,
and moors, is given a palace and an orchard, owes
his son of seven years to a Giant who has three
daughters, Gold, Silver, and Auburn Mary. The son of
the king falls immediately in love with the youngest,
Auburn Mary. He is given three impossible tasks: to
clean an enormous byre (barn), tetch an enormous
roof with the down of birds all of different colors, and
get the eggs from the nest on top of an enourmous
fir whose first branches are five-hundred meters
above ground. He has no chance at all on his own,
but he succeeds with the help of Auburn Mary, who
does the two first tasks while he sleeps, and for
the third one she offers her very bones as steps.
Later on she sits in the crown of a tree and casts
a lovely shadow, wherein other people recognize
themselves and become aware of their own prettiness.
Now all this can be explained via copper. With copper
one can make a shovel to clean a byre. Making
arrowheads of flint requires time and skill; making
them of copper is much easier, one can produce
a great number, and all of the same shape and
quality. Using copper one can also make climbers
to climb up a tree. And a polished copper disc
served as mirror -- the crown of the tree the disc,
the trunk the handle, the shadow the virtual image
of people who see themselves in it. Auburn Mary
is younger than her sisters, means less valuable
than gold and silver, but more useful. And her name
reminds of xanthos Menelaos, often translated as
Auburn Menelaos, the color xanthos covering all
hues of copper ore, yellow brown red, as explained
yesterday. The king of Tethertown may have been
TYR meaning: he who overcomes in the double
sense of rule and give - a ruler of the Chalcolithic
era, dwelling on the southern shore of the Aral Sea,
mentioned as Tiras in the Bible, son of Japheth or
Japetus, identical with Ssey Sseus Zeus in the
Greek tradition (as explained in the series On the
origin of the Greeks, here in the same thread).
He may have succeeded in freeing an early town
from the menace of a river by diverting its mouthing
- beheading the snake, as it were. And the Giant
would have been the mountains of Tadzhikistan,
rich in metals, while the son of seven years is
again a reverence to SAP meaning everywhere
in three dimensions: here, south and north of me,
east and west of me, under and above me, all
in all seven places, here referring to the labyrinth
of mines that stretch in all directions. The son of
the king of Tethertown would then have been
a miner seeking copper in the mountains of
Tadzhikistan, perhaps 8,000 years ago, or
rather a an early society of miners in the Aryan
homeland.

(to be continued)

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Metals in fairy tales (part 1)

Magdalenian KAL means Underworld, wherefrom
keltoi Celts Gallii Helvetii Hellenoi -- all miners
who sought precious metals in the underground,
in caves and mines. Beautiful Helen caused the
Trojan war. She symbolizes tin, her white arms
tin ingots, her glittering robes the tin ore cassiterite,
and her thread tin thread, by then cut out of tin foil.
Tin was rare and precious, it came from the Ore
Mountains in Middle Europe, or from Central Asia,
and was in either case bound to pass Troy, where
the Trojans laid hands on it (abducting Helen, as
it were). Helen's husband, xanthos Menelaos,
symbolizes copper, the color xanthos covering
all hues of copper ore, yellow, brown, red. Their
daughter, lovely Hermione who resembles golden
Aphrodite, symbolizes bronze, alloy of copper and
tin, of a golden shine when freshly cast. Mycenaean
bronze required more tin than modern bronze, 12
or even 15 per cent. Menelaos had a slave woman
for a mistress, this one symbolizes andrasit, a
natural alloy of copper and zinc found in the Troas,
zinc in enslaved form, so to say. Their son was
strong late come Megapenthes, the symbol of
brass, alloy of copper and zinc, arriving late in
the 'family' of metals, harder than bronze.

The story of Helen has a parallel in the fairy tale
of Snow White as recorded by the Grimm brothers.
The beautiful queen symbolizes copper, for five
millennia the most precious material in the world.
Her mirror was a polished copper disc. Her poison
is arsenic, a substance used in hardening copper.
One day her mirror tells the beautiful queen about
a young beauty, a girl much more beautiful than she,
living behind the seven mountains - tin, the most
precious metal of the Bronze Age, mined in the
removed Ore Mountains. The seven dwarfs are
miners, English dwarf German Zwerg being
derivatives of DAP ARG meaning those who tap
at (dap) the treasures in mines (arg, originally
the paintings in caves). Miners were preferably
small, boys from the age of fourteen years onward,
often malnourished, deprived of sunshine, under-
developed, small, dwarfs, however, they are made
very sympathetic in the fairy tale recorded by the
Grimms. And the number 7 of the seven dwarfs
reminds of Magdalenian SAP for everywhere in
space: here, south and nother of me, east and west
of me, under and above me, all in all seven places
- in this special case evoking the mines that strech
in every direction, undermining the ground.

Now the fairy tale of Snow White has a parallel
in Gaelic / English, namely in the fairy tale of
Silver Tree and Gold Tree - copper and tin are
replaced by silver and the more precious gold,
the symbolism of the Chalcolithic or Copper Age
going over into the Bronze Age is abandoned,
but we have the clear confirmation that this sort
of story is about metals.

(end of part 1, to be continued)

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Where the monster of Loch Ness came from
(second part)

The king's daughter is promised to the General,
but she will marry the one who can open the
knot "without cutting it." Now the knot symbolizes
the astronomical calculation, the transformation
of 20 years in various units of time. So let us try.

3 years are a little more than 37 lunations,
8 years are a little less than 99 lunations,
allowing us to 'twine a rope' of additions:

3 + 8 = 11 years or 136 lunations (37+99)

8 + 11 = 19 years or 235 lunations (Meton)

11 + 19 = 30 years or 371 lunations

19 + 30 = 49 years or 606 lunations

30 + 49 = 79 years or 977 lunations

Now we can go for 60 and then for 20 years:

11 + 49 = 60 years or 742 lunations
30 + 30 = 60 years or 742 lunations

60/3 = 20 years or 247 1/3 lunations

Lunations are counted as follows: 30 29 30
29 30 29 30 29 30 29 30 29 30 ... days.
Let us choose 30 days. 30 / 3 = 10 days.

20 years are 247 lunations 10 days

247 lunations are a Metonic cycle of 235 lunations
or 19 years, plus a short year of a dozen lunations:

20 years are 19 years plus 1 short year 10 days

Reliyng on these numbers we can be more precise
in the list of symbols given in the first part:

Swift hind -- lunar year, lunation, 30 or 29 days
-- first head of sea-monster

hoodie (crow) inside hind -- a long year of
13 lunations -- second head of sea-monster

trout inside hoodie inside hind -- 19 long years
-- third head of sea-monster

egg in mouth of trout inside hoodie inside hind
-- 10 days, completing the cycle of 20 years
-- soul of sea-maiden

The egg is now symbolizing a round number, ten
days. The Metonic cycle of 19 years is represented
by the 19 young ones that have been devoured by
the sea-monster - having been devoured, they are
no longer here, and so they are not mentioned in
the story, but we can conclude that they have been
offered to the monster. One short year more and
the twentieth victim is brought to the shore, the
king's daughter. The General tries to kill the beast,
but he rans away. Then comes the son of the poor
fisherman, and in three battles, each more horrible
than the former, he cuts off the three heads and
slings them on a knot. Alas, the sea-monster
survives in the guise of the sea-maiden, and when
the last 10 days are over and when the cycle of 20
years is completed, she arrives to take her victim,
either the son of the poor fisherman, or the princess.
Now the son of the poor fisherman was helpful on
several occasions, he is now rewarded with help,
catches the hind and the hoodie inside the hind
and the trout inside the hoodie inside the hind,
and the egg in the mouth of the trout inside the
hoodie inside the hind, crashes the egg under
his foot, the sea-maiden looses her soul and dies,
the princess is free and announces that she will
marry the one who can loose the knot without
cutting it. The General who boasted to have killed
the sea-monster (falsely, as we know) fails, but
the son of the poor fisherman succeeds, and he
marries the princess. While we come too late,
much too late. However, we may enjoy the elegant
calculation with a small mistake of less than one
hour per year, and the skillful way such a demanding
calculation was transformed into a story, easily
remembered even by children, and when a child
grew up and showed interest in astronomy and
mathematics, the ground was already laid and the
story turned around and shown in a completely
new light, a light now also serving us, allowing us
a glimpse on the possibilities of oral tradition.

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Panu Petteri Höglund alias alias alias is
a clever farmer: he waters the fallow land
and throws the stones on the fields where
it has been sown ... He claims to save
the Irish language, but he can't start and
maintain a thread on the Irish language
and culture, instead he invades my thread,
hi-haw-hogarach-ing about, confirming
what I say in my legal statement and in
my messages on the psychopathology
of stalking. Being a barren mind he must
ruin my publishing thread, wherein I work
toward a better understanding of early
civilization including Irish legends and
fairy tales, showing that seeming products
of mere phantasy can actually convey high
ranking early science and philosophy.

My first given name is a reverence to
Francesco d'Assisi who spoke with the
animals. Animal language is a concern
of mine, more generally language as
a basic feature of life. Here again my
definition from 1974/75: Language is
the means of getting help, support and
understanding from those we depend
upon in one way or another --- and every
means of getting help, support and
understanding may be called language,
on whatever level of life it occurs ...

My second given name, Fridolin, is a
reference to the Irish saint who missionized
northwestern Switzerland. His name may
perhaps go back to Magdalenian BRI DAL
meaning: he who makes fertile (bri) the
valley (dal), a farmer, in a metaphorical
sense a missionary who prepares the souls
of the people to take up the seeds of the
Holy Gospels ...

The forum of sci.lang surely is a stony
ground; a lot of labor to make it fertile.

(to be continued)
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