Re: are El/ohim and Allah related?

On Dec 4, 3:00 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I knew exactly what Peter was talking about. I also doubt strongly
that he was seriously claiming that "bear" and "beard" are
etymologically or semantically related.

My point was that --- according to what I understand Peter believes,
which explicitly excludes Franz's views on these words --- bear/beard
is not really a comparable example with 'el/'eloh (a pair of words
whose meanings are similar to each other).

Of course I claim that bear and beard are etymologically
related. Both come from BIR meaning fur, ancient Greek
byrsa. This word has a great number of derivatives,
and not only of the first but also of the second and third
degree. The bear is the furry one, provider of the best
fur, thick, longhaired, soft and warm. As most fur is
brown, BIR accounts for PIE *bher- in the sense of brown,
however, the bear is not primarily the brown one but
the furry one. Beard is then easily explained as the fur
growing on the chin of a man. Look up the many more
derivatives in my Magdalenian thread. A pretty one
is Latin pire English pear German Birne Swiss Bire
- not yet explained, my Latin dictionary says, but now
explained via Magdalenian: a derivative of BIR of the
second degree, referrring to the shape of a bear's
head. Swiss Bire, by the way, is a word for head,
meant in a humorous way. In a bookstore I saw
a DVD on a big screen, The Earth (or so), an
avalanche went down, a she-bear and two cups
come out a cave thorugh the snow, the first one sees
is the long snout and round head of the mother bear,
in the perfect shape of a bear ... Once you free
yourselve from bear as the brown one (not even
Trond Engen, who outed himself as a PIE hardliner,
is happy about bear as the borwn one) and accept
bear as the furry one, from BIR meaning fur, the door
for new etymological adventures is wide open. I find
new words every time I read a book, just now the
Celtic Fairy Tales, selected and edited by Joseph
Jacobs a good hundred years ago. In this book
I found byre for cow shed, barn. More probable,
both in the fairy tale and in the Celtic area, is a barn
or shed for sheep and goats, providers of fur in the
agrarian era, BIR byre barn. Considering the many
meanings the original BIR assumed, it is amazing
that this little word could have been stretched and
modified in so many ways, in order to mean so
many very different things while their origin is still
recognizeable.

As for El and Elohim, these two variants testify
to the language of the Auragnician and the younger
Magdalenian. The first language had clicking L
given as ) Curve your tongue, let the tip of the tongue
slide along the roof of your mouth, and let the tongue
smack into its wet bed. I went on a walk in the woods
in order to practice on this sound, and in the end
I was able to produce a rather loud click that would
have allowed to communicate with fellow hunters,
if I were following game. The San (former Bush People)
of southern Africa use many clicks we can't produce.
Clicks don't alarm game, while human voices do.
Clicking L given as ) would have been the sound
denoting the one who has the say. For example the
lion man of the Vogelherd cave. You may notice that
the words for lion in many languages begin on L.
This would once have been a clicking L or an )
The mere sound was then developed into a word,
namely )OG with the same meaning of the one
who has the say, while the inverse form GO) or
GOL is preserved in Italian gola 'mouth'. While
simple ) accounts for El, the longer )OG accounts
for Elohim and Allah, but also for Greek logos
'word, reason' -- "In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God, and the Word was
God" (John 1:1).
.

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