Re: Goedel - interesting problem?

From: Acid Pooh (poohonlsd_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 06/16/04 

Date: 16 Jun 2004 01:26:12 -0700

"|-|erc" <gotcha@beauty.com> wrote in message news:<Vipzc.27522$sj4.7671@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> "Daryl McCullough" <daryl@atc-nycorp.com> wrote
> > |-|erc says...
>
> > >An easy copout from the people quoting the textbooks.
> >
> > Nothing I've posted is a quote from a textbook. In contrast,
> > the one thing you wrote that made any sense was a verbatim
> > quote from an article about Godel's theorem.
> >
>
> <jerk deleted>
> > Ithaca, NY
>
> your only responses to my questions were straight text book theory,
> everything else you skipped over.

That's because the text book theory is correct. I've seen people give
you several different interpretations of what Godel's theorem means
which did not come out of a text book but could be supported by one
with a little bit of work.

>
> you have ZERO (0) comprehension ability when forced to think for yourself.
>
> your theories might seem consistent, but they are mutually exclusive to correct theory,
> that is why you are confined to responding to half of what is noted.
>

When you're surrounded by assholes, you really need to stop and think:
 "Who's the real ***?"

> its like an old sci fi episode I saw, they teleport to a remote planet and the boy
> enrols at the school. everything *seems* right but all the students are learning
> is exactly the curriculum, they're not exactly thinking, their poems aren't right,
> the application isn't there.... weeks later he finds out they're not people at all,
> they're androids living like people, the whole planet. That's what sci.logic
> is like to me, imitation of knowledge but you all go blank when questioned.
>

That's a great logical argument. Here's another:

Spock is a vulcan. Every Vulcan is logical. Every Vulcan understands
Godel's theorem. Therefore, Spock understands Godel's theorem.
Therefore, Spock disagrees.

Another:

Luke Skywalker is a Jedi. Every Jedi understands Godel's theorem.
Therefore, Luke Skywalker understands Godel's theorem.

In symbols:

Ax(Vulcan(x) -> UnderstandsGodelsTheorem(x))
Vulcan(spock)
|- UnderstandsGodelsTheorem(spock)

and

Ax(Jedi(x) -> UnderstandsGodelsTheorem(x))
Jedi(luke)
|- UnderstandsGodelsTheorem(luke)

'cid 'ooh

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