Re: logical paradoxes

From: Acme Diagnostics (LFinezapthis_at_partpostmark.net)
Date: 08/19/04 

Date: 19 Aug 2004 01:20:13 -0500

Kenneth Doyle <nobody@notmail.com> wrote:
>Traveler <traveler@nospam.com> wrote in
>> Kenneth Doyle <nobody@notmail.com> wrote:
>>>Traveler <traveler@nospam.com> wrote in
>>>> patty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The structure of the addressing system does not need to be based on
>>>>>characters.
>>>>
>>>> You're kidding me? Bit addressing is a known thing in computer
>>>> addressing. A memory address points to the first bit in a sequence
>>>> of bits. Each bit must be addressed differently.
>>>
>>>That's just wrong. You can't address a single bit at all. In order
>>>to read or write a single bit, you have to read a byte then apply a
>>>bit mask then (if you're writing) write the entire byte back to the
>>>memory location it was read from.
>>
>> What are you, a wise guy? And what do you think applying a bit mask
>> is? It is an indirect way of addressing the position of the bit within
>> the byte/word that contains it.
>
>It's necessarily indirect, there being no direct way to address the bit.
>
>> Every bit has a distinct and unique
>> position within the word, no? This is what is meant by the address of
>> a bit.
>
>That would be the bit's position within the byte.
>
>> Some processors have bit-oriented instructions which allows one
>> to operate on addressable bits without using masks.
>
>Such as?
>
>> Deny at your own detriment.
>
>I'm not denying anything, show me the specific instructions.
>
>> This is all I'm gonna say on this subject because I am
>> rapidly losing interest.
>
>Is that meant to pre-empt my request for specifics?

Well, since you not-so-brilliantly set yourself up to defend a
universal, I suppose it's to give himself time to try and google a
Cynthian processor design discovered by the ancient Aztecs.
I would not be a *bit* surprised if he found one.

However, here on earth, in the time frame anyone would assume,
in the correct context of Patty's discussion, processors address at
minimum, an 8-bit byte at a time, not by necessity, but by convention
and the octal mathematical sweet spot.

In case you haven't figured it out yet, and according to my Magic
8-ball, all signs point to maybe, Traveler is a well-known troll.
Additionally, and exactly like Olcott, he has "an EAR to listen to what
ancient metaphors are saying," as linked next. Though the reply intros
are incomplete, rest assured that it is Traveler who "made an amazing
discovery."

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=35fae540.0305301340.6750239a@posting.google.com

Needless to say, he has yet to "reveal my source" since the "proper
time" has evidently not arrived and, alas, it has thus not been "a
great shock to many."

Hey, how'd you like my ear joke? (Riiiiight! Everyone's a damn critic!)

And, exactly like Olcott, he's a genius, though he prefers to state it
in not-so-subtle implication, as further down in the above linked
thread Traveler says:

>You mean sort of like the way Minsky, Lenat, Moravec et al have been
>wasting time by not demonstrating AI in the last fifty years. Yet
>they've had a lot to talk about. <snip> Fifty years of useless talk.

Yes, smarter than Minsky, Lenat, Moravec, etc. whose talk is useless,
while Traveler's talk is... well... let's take a google check! And as
fortune (or should I say fortune-teller) would have it, Uncle Al has
done that very thing for us! Google count of selected vocabulary from
Traveler's, aka Louis Savain, intellectual discourse demonstrating how
worth while it is to listen to him above the three doofus's just listed:

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=7hpi4v4b29iqam74is3i681db7p0i47vrf@4ax.com

That count as of 9 months ago, no doubt higher now, and no doubt
to grow in response to this. Note his briliant response to the record
of his grade-school mentality: "That's beautiful. I'm proud of my
record." And I hope you didn't miss his similarly insightful p.s.

Louis: This isn't c.a.p., where I, Mr. Non-Genius average guy, last
cured your nonsense and dreams of licking Minsky's toes, but then I
left, whereupon you slunk back. Now I find sci.logic potentially worth
saving. Check for that group in your headers. If you find it, you can
also count on finding me, at least until your compatriot from
Trollsville, Peter Olcott, destroys this group just as Longley
destroyed c.a.p. You, on the other hand, do not have the
sticktoitiveness of either kook, nor do you even rise to *their*
intellectual lows, and are no group destroyer, though you usually
manage to be a most irritating grade-schooler.

Larry, having just read the most amazingly brilliant and
literary-perfect paragraph in another sci.logic post, pretentiously
imitating despite best efforts to avoid same, and failing miserably.
``
p.s. Hi Patty. Long time no see. Hope everything's well with you.

p.p.s. To all: Patty is a quick learner and wonderful person with
boundless empathy for the less fortunate, who also knows the
significance of "agent" in logic, having taught me how to notate it.

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