Re: What is the Result from Invoking this Halt Function?

From: Will Twentyman (wtwentyman_at_read.my.sig)
Date: 08/22/04 

Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:16:31 -0400

>parr(*> wrote:
> "Will Twentyman" <wtwentyman@read.my.sig> wrote in message
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> | >parr(*> wrote:
> | > Since when do Trolls want to come to an agreement, Will?
> |
> | If he's a troll, he will not seek to come to an
> | agreement.
>
> Let's put it this way, he's using, or accusing others of using,
> all the strategems of false argument which were enumerated by
> Schopenhauer. Sooner or later, he's going to throw in reference
> to the "Petitio Principii" Fallacy. This is also known as
> begging the question, i.e., including in an argument, the
> assumption of what is to be proved is true.
>
> I've already skipped to the final strategem No. XXXVIII,
> personal abuse.
>
> | In that case, I'll probably abandon all of this
> | and find myself with a lot more free time.
>
> Have a nice holiday.
>
> | If he's not a troll, then we'll be able to find a
> | way to make all of this clear and consistent to
> | everyone.
>
> Assuming he's nota Troll, how are you going to persuade such a
> zealous kook that his dogmatic views on
> decidability/computability are questionable. Remember the
> quality of logical thought he demonstrates.

Starting with getting some definitions agreed to. One of the things
I've noticed both in my exchanges with Peter and those newstome has had:
Peter isn't using the same definitions that the rest of us are. His
ideas about the topic under discussion have little or nothing to do with
how the rest of us are approaching the topic. He also doesn't seem to
understand that the Church-Turing Thesis is an idea of how things should
work. TMs appear to be able to do anything a person could do by hand
with pencil and paper. TMs are not necessarily able to do things a
person could not do by hand. Thus the existence of Oracle Machines,
which are more powerful than TMs.

Personally, I think that if Peter's modifications work, all he'll have
done is created a different type of device that is a type of Oracle
Machine. That's a lot of work to "solve" the halting problem. The next
step will be to show Peter that his machine is actually more powerful
than a Turing Machine. That could be... challenging. 

-- 
Will Twentyman
email: wtwentyman at copper dot net

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