Re: Existence as predicate

From: Immortalist (Reanimater_2000_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 08/31/04 

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:32:43 -0700

"Tarald Andresen" <tarald.a@online.no> wrote in message
news:KSVYc.4163$WW4.58466@news4.e.nsc.no...
> > By whatever and by however many predicates we may think a thing--even if
> we
> > completely determine it--we do not make the least addition to the thing
> when we
> > further declare that this thing ("is"); Otherwise, it would not be exactly
> the
> > same thing that exists, but something more than we had thought in the
> concept;
> > and we could not, therefore, say that the exact object of my concept
> exists.
> >
> > A complete list of an object's properties would not be expanded by adding
> another
> > property, namely existence; therefore, existence is not another property
> over and
> > above all the other properties.
>
> But one can't designate something as an object in an absolute sense (except
> infinity itself); i.e. as something divisable from other "objects"/matter
> (the division is an act of subjective interpretation of nature). "Objects"
> then has a "double-nature"; both as "individuals" and as belonging to -
> being "elements" in/aspects of - an undivisable nature; i.e. they are both
> singular and in a sense belonging to the category "existence qua existence".
> Thus the existence of an object has a quality beyond being an "object",
> namely as existence per se, and this transcendental aspect of an object is
> the common denominator it shares with everything else. Likewise this means
> that the existence of an object has a a predicate *beyond* its
> characteristica qua an *object*, namely the predicate of also being
> *existence qua existence*.
>

But even if "But one can't designate something as an object in an absolute sense
(except infinity itself); i.e. as something divisable from other "objects"/matter
(the division is an act of subjective interpretation of nature). "Objects" then
has a "double-nature"; both as "individuals" and as belonging to - being
"elements" in/aspects of - an undivisable nature; i.e. they are both singular and
in a sense belonging to the category "existence qua existence". Thus the
existence of an object has a quality beyond being an "object", namely as
existence per se, and this transcendental aspect of an object is the common
denominator it shares with everything else. Likewise this means that the
existence of an object has a a predicate *beyond* its characteristica qua an
*object*, namely the predicate of also being *existence qua existence*," by
whatever and by however many predicates we may think a thing--even if we
completely determine it--we do not make the least addition to the thing when we
further declare that this thing ("is"); Otherwise, it would not be exactly the
same thing that exists, but something more than we had thought in the concept!

> > "...physical object exists. This is a true claim; what makes it true? One
> would
> > like to be able to say that it is the fact that the physical object has
> the
> > property of existence. It seems that the claim asserts that existence is a
> > property of the physical object.
> >
> > The foregoing definition of 'exists' is incorrect just because the
> definition
> > does treat existence as a property.
>
> But that's precisely what it (also) is, beyond refering to an object qua
> object (its definition as something separate from other things)..
>

Do you mean it is a concept or representation of it?

>

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