Re: Atheists dying

From: Mario Petrinovich (mario.petrinovic1_at_zg.htnet.hr)
Date: 09/06/04 

Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:21:12 +0100

Kermit:
> Mario Petrinovich:
> I have seen miracles in my lifetime. I have seen limbs reattached - I
> remember the first (I boy in New York City lost his arm hitching a
> ride on the subway train; it was successfully reattached).

        Attaching limbs could look impressive. I don't know much about it,
but what they done, probably was some mechanical job. The real job was done
by organism. It is miracle of organism, not some big human achievement
(probably).

> We cure
> about 50% of leukemia; whenI was a kid it was *always fatal. They have
> apprently cured several cases of "bubble boy" syndrome through
> retro-gene therapy.

        The organism itself has a lot healing potential. But, some diseases
organism just don't cure. In most cases this is because it is not economical
(for human socaity). IOW, if every such case was healed by organism, human
sociaty would have a lot of trouble. Curing individual that has potential
for leukemia, is just creating more jobs for doctors in the future. Nothing
more. If that organisam has to die, it is better to leave it dying. Or all
those children that are cured from child diseases. Those children had to
die. They are walking deadmen. Child diseases filter those who are weak. If
weak people are introduced to sociaty, they will bring their shortcamings
with them. Weak attitudes, and things like that. That hole sociaty could
become weak because of that. I very much doubt how much smart it is to mess
with nature. Nature did good things for us, so far. It made as top species.
Do we want to mess with this?

> > Regarding Mars. There isn't a proplem in energy, materials, or
> > the
> > number of people. Nobody will notice the ammount of energy or materials
> > spent on this. Problem is human, and risk involved. In SF movies we saw
> > a
> > lot of space traffic. I was amazed as a child. But, the more I learned
> > about this, the more I started to wonder why they are even try.
>
> If you have to wonder why, it may never be explainable to you. I would
> go up in the shuttle right now if offered a seat.
>
> And let's not forget all of the civilian spacecraft in development.
> Spaceship One comes to mind, but there are others.

        This is an interesting case. For this prize, which pushed civilian
spacecraft development, (IIRC) some laws need to be changed. Laws which
prevented it. States wanted compleat control over space exploration. Only
recently (with Space Shuttle disasters), they realized that you need mass
involvent in space, othervise development will stall. Just what I talked
about, in previous post. Not one "giant step for menkind" but a lot of small
steps. And also, it is not insignificant that Paul Allen was forced to lead
the way, with its money. Microsoft monopol on WORLD'S computer OS, is
closely managed by US state.

> > I can just say that the very fact that you are spending 2 hours
> > in
> > gym, can tell a lot. As you said, you didn't need this when you were 20.
>
> Um... I did it when I was 20, too.

        I did some Tea Kwon Do, when I was 15, : ).

> Are you sure you are not depressed?

        You see. This attitude of yours, I don't understand. What is so
wrong in being depressed? When there is time to be happy, you are happy.
When it is time to be depressed, you need to be depressed. There is the
reason why. If you are happy when it is time to be depressed, boy you are in
trouble.

> > People should be healthy without additional work put on it. If they put
> > additional work on feeling good, and being healthy, then something is
> > wrong with them.
>
> On the contrary, we evolved in an environment which required us to be
> *extremely active. It is no moral failing to be physically lazy, but
> non-athletes pay a medical price for their inactivity.
>
> Couch potatoes are *not medically normal. If you are 42 and not
> exercizing, you will soon be paying a medical price. If you are
> willing to pay it, so be it, but do not pretend to yourself that you
> won't.

        With me, it will be whatever it should be. Nothing more, or less.
But, active sport living, can give you a lot of trouble. The most dangerous
is building of self confidence. This is the first reason parents push
children into sports. And this is the wrong reason. It was recorded that
most junkies were doing sport activity immediately before starting of taking
drugs. So, it turns out that doing sports isn't so healthy. What happened?
They built up their self confidence. With their confidence high, they were
more ready to be involved in risky activities. Which put them in trouble.
IOW, this is just like your "depressed" attitude. It is wrong to be over
confident. You will react over confidently on world around you. And make big
mistakes. Just because you are over confident.

> Kermit
> Sunday evening - time for class - Taiji and Jujitsu.

        : ) -- Mario

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