Re: The Road with no Branches argument

From: Keynes (Keynes_at_earthlinkspam.net)
Date: 10/30/04 

Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:17:13 -0500

On 30 Oct 2004 07:55:03 -0700, peterdjones@yahoo.com (1Z) wrote:

>"Acme Diagnostics" <LFinezapthis@partpostmark.net> wrote in message
>
>> This is the second time you've ignored this point about
>> unpredictability of single events becoming predictable in the
>> aggregate or higher level of description.
>
>That is true of some kinds of systems, suchs as rocks, , and we understand why it is
>true of them, just as we understand why it is false of chaotic systems.
>
>
>> Now I can only
>> surmise that that's because it blows your "amplification" theory
>> to smitherines. Not that it never happens, but you leave standing
>> the case that there is no basis for your opinion that it always
>> happens making the "whole world indeterministic."
>
>Any macroscopic indeteministic system will eventually have knock-on
>effects on other sytems, so in the long term and large
>scale the world will indeed be indeterministic -- with localised
>pockets of (for all practical purposes) determinism, such as the
>ones you say you have observed.
>
>
>> >Can you predict the weather?
>>
>> Another non-explanatory cryptic question. I've differentiated
>> weather prediction several times, i.e. what is testable, what is
>> not. You've ignored that distinction as well. That you can find
>> an untestable example doesn't support your opinion.
>>
>> >If you could, it would be a refutation of my claims.
>>
>> Yeah, if I could refute unfalsifiable claims I'd be real famous.
>>
>> I've already refuted your claims: "Weather is
>> indeterminate.
>
>I have read back over the thread wihtout seeing any refutation.
>Given two well-supported premisses, that the weather is chaotic,
>and that the quantum world is indeterministic, the conclusion follows.
>
>> The whole world is indeterminate." You have no
>> proof, no rigorous basis, or as it now appears any basis at all.
>>
>
>
>> You seem to qualify chaos theory to real-life. Our discussion
>> included quantum indeterminism "amplified" into what I think
>> you mean by real-life.
>>
>> I don't think those examples translate to unlawfulness or
>> indeterminism. I'm pretty sure that complexity of weather
>> doesn't.
>
>But you can't refute the alleged indeterminism of weather,
>directly, by predicting it, and you can't refute the
>premisses from which it is inferred. So you can't refute it.
>

Blowing in the wind. Today I climbed onto my tricycle
and flew to the moon, but couldn't get in. There was
a crowd of three body problems guarding the door.
I said I didn't have an invitation so they ushered me
right in. Alice and the Mad Hatter were putting on
a psychic sex show from opposite ends of the galaxy.
The Mad Hatter thoughtfully performed in his condominium.
Then there were the dancing bares. Not that bad if you
like to watch really fat men. The drinks were lousy.
And such small portions too. You can read all about
it in this continuum or the next. There's always another
one coming along soon.

Koo Koo in Chaos.

And the cheese? Ugh. Don't get me started...

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