Re: Consciousness "Hard Problem"

From: |-|erc (h_at_r.c)
Date: 12/13/04 

Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:02:46 +1000

"Albert" <albertwagner@cox.net> wrote in ...
> |-|erc wrote:
>
> You have snipped without notification most of my post. This is
> not the first time you have done this. To me this indicates that
> you simply have no answers to my questions OR you are simply a
> troll attempting to stir up controversy while having no insight
> or knowledge yourself. Either way, it is extremely discourteous.
>
> >>>>>>>The web is a perfect artificial world to invoke an intelligence, unlimited noisy data.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Noisy data is useful for 'invoking' intelligence. Why not
> >>>>>>abracadabra to invoke a demon?
> >
> >
> > the statement seems obvious to me, redefining the turing test for a context is not required.
> >
> > what are you saying then? the real world is better than an internet terminal for an AI to initially use,
> > or no interaction with the world at all will be required.
>
> This technique of constantly putting words into my mouth is
> boring and tedious. To understand what I am really saying, you
> have only to read my posts.
>
> >
> > its one or the other, there's no escape to 'ill defined' here. why is the idea that a computer program
> > could learn to surf the internet and gather meaning from all the data, writing, and pictures wrong?
>
> I never said it was 'wrong.' I said that your approach to it, as
> delineated in your posts, is wrong; Or, to be more precise, you
> are making invalid and unsupported assumptions as to what is
> involved, and the root of your error is that you have no idea
> what you are talking about. So, lets add another word to the
> existing list for you to define: 'meaning.'
>

Sequences of words have meaning. We literally hear our
conscious mind string them out never ending at a potential speaking rate, but
unheard by us in ourselves are collosal sentence fragments processing at computer speeds.

e.g.
I got the key.... I got the secret.... I got the key to another way.... I got the key

Herc

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