Re: OT: An interesting snippet about proof of God's Existence.-- "Pastor" Frank the Marcionite

From: Libertarius (Libertarius_at_Nothing_But_The.Truth)
Date: 01/31/05 

Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:44:11 -0700

The_Sage wrote:

> >Reply to article by: Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth>
> >Date written: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:17:39 -0700
> >MsgID:<41FBD342.8CA2F831@Nothing_But_The.Truth>
>
> >>>>>>If we pretend that "God is love" as a
> >>>>>>definition, than it is woefully incomplete for it tells us nothing about the
> >>>>>>person of God, only it's actions. If we pretend that everything God does is out
> >>>>>>of love, then it is a lie, for God sends people to Hell for eternity, mass
> >>>>>>murders, and is vengeful -- all things the anti-thesis of love.
>
> >>>>> That is Judaism. Are you a Jew?
>
> >>>>The God of the Jews is the exact same God as the God of the Christians. Are you
> >>>>ignorant of the history of your own beliefs?
>
> >>>===>Sheepherder, the fake "pastor" prefers to ignore that history.
> >>>He appears to be some sort of neo-Marcionite, who rejects the
> >>>"Old Testament" AND what he calls the "God of the Jews". -- L.
>
> >>My guess is that Pastor Frank is painfully aware of the reality of the
> >>horribleness of the God of the Old Testament and would like to deny it is any
> >>way possible, but how does he explain away the fact that without an Old
> >>Testament there can be no New Testament?
>
> >===>The Marcionites, once a major branch of Christianity, completely denied
> >the validity of the "OT" or any connection with the "God of the Jews" (as did most
> >Gnostic Christians). Their new deity was "Christos", a god invented by Saul/Paul
> >of Tarsus to replace the earlier Pagan savior gods (Osiris, Attis, Adonis, Dionysus,
> >Mithras, etc).
>
> This is interesting but is it in any way relevant to anything that Frank
> preaches? If not, I again ask, how does Frank explain away the Old Testament? If
> Frank does preach the same thing, then the same arguments used to defeat the
> Marcionites apply to Frank as well.

===>The problem is, there is no such "argument", since BOTH
positions are based on nonsense. They were able to defeat the Marcionite
nonsense only by forcibly pushing THEIR nonsense.

>
>
> >BTW, they compiled the first "Bible", consisting of his edited versions of
> >- The "EVANGELICON" (Gospel according to Luke) and
> >the APOSTOLIKON, including:
> >- Galatians
> >- I Corinthians
> >- II Corinthians
> >- Romans
> >- I Thessalonians
> >- II Thessalonians
> >- Ephesians (which Marcion called Laodiceans)
> >- Colossians
> >- Philemon
> >- Philippians
>
> This is heresay as no actual Bibles have been found to exist before 300AD.

===>No one said those were "actual Bibles". That is why the word is
in quotes.

>
>
> >to this the Roman Church, having declared Marcionites a "heresy", responded
> >with the Catholic Bible, containing the Septuagint and select, edited Christian
> >writings including the above, still found in today's "Holy Bible".
>
> Many of the books in the original Catholic Bible are missing in today's modern
> Bible, not to mention there are additional books such as the book of Revelation.

===>Revelation IS in the original (Catholic) Bible.
But it is correct that the Protestant's version is a truncated edition.

>
>
> >"The main purpose in the Marcionites' collection of scripture was to emphasise
> >the love and forgiveness of God which they considered best reflected Luke's Gospel.
> >They held that the Old Testament scriptures, which were read in the "Catholic"
> >churches, were opposed to the teaching of mercy, which was for them the hallmark
> >of true Christianity. Anything which they found in fragments of what would later be
> >called Luke's Gospel or in Paul's letters which was at variance with their conception
> >of Christian teaching they attributed to falsifications introduced by Judaisers and by
> >those who opposed Paul and his Gnostic thought.
>
> >Marcion believed that God had raised him up to preach again the true Gospel and to
> >bring the Church back to an understanding of Paul's teaching. Man must put his trust
> >in the "Good God" and renounce the "Demiurge"."
> >(From: MARCION & MARCIONITES, at
> >http://firstnewtestament.netfirms.com/marcion_marcionites.htm)
>
> >It is clear to me that the fake "pastor" Frank is preaching a kind of anti-Jewish,
> >anti-OT neo-Marcionite "gospel". -- L.
>
> Just because he preaches against the OT doesn't mean it has to be a derivative
> of Marcion.

===>Maybe not. But he sure sounds like it.
That is why I used the term "NEO" Marcionite. -- L.