Re: coin puzzle
From: |-|erc (h_at_r.c)
Date: 02/15/05
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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:25:32 +1000
"Alan Smaill" <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> wrote in
> >> >> >>One person turns a coin over at times 0, 1/2, 3/4, 7/8 ...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>The coin is head up at the start.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Is it head or tail up at time 1?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It's in a quantum state -- indeterminate until you observe it.
> >> >>
> >> >> (I'm curious why comments at the level of physics are raised
> >> >> to my question, and not Herc's, which equally supposes something
> >> >> impossible according to current physics)
> >> >
> >> > My question is well formed, yours is a self negating statement since you
> >> > added that the end of an infinite line is present.
> >>
> >> Certainly not; you can pick up a coin, turn it over, and put
> >> it back down in the same place, can't you?
> >> Even easier than getting infinitely many people together,
> >> I dare say.
> >>
> >> There is no infinite line here, everything happens in a bounded space.
> >> My assumptions are no more problematic than yours.
> >>
> >> So, answer the question: heads or tails?
> >>
> >
> >
> > You're either an idiot or a stupid liar.
> > together with the assumption of infinite flip
> > speed at the singularity t=1,
> > you're scenerio is impossible, mine is possible.
>
> Let's see -- in your original puzzle
> with infinitely many people, how fast are the tosses happening, then?
>
> > In my puzzle, you *roll* the coin futher and further away,
> > the contradiction at t=1
> > is solved, the coin forms an infinitely long sequence and you see
> > any flip in N
> > but not the end.
>
> I'm not asking about your version of my puzzle;
> I'm asking about mine --
> a perfectly simple puzzle by your standards.
>
> > That's 4 times I've told you, take your petty counter example
> > to your own thread.
>
> Just stop whining and answer my question:
> heads or tails?
>
> > Note : still everyone has avoided the question how long the
> > coin sequence is while
> > still not unique.
>
> Just like Herc avoids answering my question.
>
You're like a kid posting 1/0 = ? on Einstein's blackboard at the unveiling of relativity
smiling as you wet your nappy.
Every time you're told to get lost you point at the equation with glee and give
a screaming cry mine mine mine mine.
for the 5th time, your puzzle is completely unrelated to the problem I posted.
your reasoning is completely flawed at every level.
> >> Certainly not; you can pick up a coin, turn it over, and put
> >> it back down in the same place, can't you?
This is completely erronous! NO YOU CANNOT PUT IT DOWN AT TIME T=1.
I have mapped the number line 0...oo onto 0..1 and posed a standard question
on infinite sequences.
We don't continue the calculations to t=1, we examine the behaviour as it approaches.
At t=1 all the sequences have reached oo length. To correctly interpret this in the new
coordinates just means the sequences are non terminating. Non terminating sequences,
whether from 1..oo or 0..1 are the subject matter. wet nappies deserve their own thread.
its not your fault your brainfart is so exciting for you, self contradicting statements like
yours take up 90% of mathematics resources.
this is for your benefit, learn some comprehension and learn some netiquette on posting rights.
I posted :
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oo people flip coins oo times each.
they start at time t=0,
flip coin2 at time t=1/2,
flip coin3 at time t=3/4,
..
at time t=1 everyone has flipped oo coins
you start 1 toss later, and have to come up with a unique sequence, you can direct the coins outcome.
1st coin at time t=1/2
2nd coin at time t=3/4
3rd coin at time t=7/8
....
At what time have you (probabilistically) come up with a unique sequence?
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You made a small but relevant point
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One person turns a coin over at times 0, 1/2, 3/4, 7/8 ...
The coin is head up at the start.
Is it head or tail up at time 1?
-- Alan Smaill |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| I interpreted the concern into the framework of the problem ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| "Alan Smaill" <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> wrote in > > One person turns a coin over at times 0, 1/2, 3/4, 7/8 ... > > The coin is head up at the start. > > Is it head or tail up at time 1? > This is a clarification question I take it. The coin is pushed 1 coin width every turn and is infinitely far away so you can't see it. You can however travel any distance towards the last coin flip. Herc |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| I gave you enough information to answer the original probkem, I intercepted and you |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| No, it's always in the same place -- it's flipped over on the spot. |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| No that's absurd. You LISTEN, You THINK, You COOPERATE, You ADAPT. Nobody is interested in 1/oo, the topic is infinite sequences, do not ask irrelevant poorly defined impossible questions when my post is clearly defined. Herc
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