Re: False experts

From: Barbara Schwarz (barbara.schwarz_at_gmail.com)
Date: 03/01/05 

Date: 1 Mar 2005 14:24:06 -0800

rickross@rickross.com wrote:
> Eric:
>
> I was one not a "primary advisor," but only one of many people
> interviewed by the BATF and later the FBI about the Davidians.

I think it is always a mistake when the feds trust somebody like you,
Rick Ross, with such an extensive crimial history.
(See the documents on the www.religiousfreedomwatch.org)
>
> I had nothing to do with the raid, nor plans about the raid and was
not
> consulted about the decisions of either the BATF or FBI regarding the
> standoff.

You did not advise them to seek a peaceful and bloodless solution, Rick
Ross, and that is the problem. Just because the other advisors were
incompetent too, doesn't mean that you should come away with your
incompetency.

Once again, the proper handling would have been to arrest David Koresh
on his walks through town, and to made him cooperate with the
authorities to tell the others to give up too for a lighter sentence.
That is how I would have handled it.

> There have been numerous and very public investigations, trials and
> lawsuits regarding the Waco Davidians.

Yes, and they just washed the "experts" involved in that disaster
clean, as far as I have seen.
>
> All have essentially cocluded the same.
>
> David Koresh (Vernon Howell) was a mad cult leader that sexually
> abused/exploited women and children.

No doubt, Koresh was a pig, but so are people who go after religions,
right, Keith Henson and others?

> He broke the law and led his
> followers to disaster.

So, do the anti-religious extremists. You also broke the law often
enough, Rick Ross.

> Rather than simply surrender to authorities
> Koresh instead chose death for both himself and everyone else in the
> compound.

Bwahahahaha! He strolled often through Waco with icecream cones in his
hands. You could have told the feds to wait till he is in town and then
close in on him. He would have not killed himself with the icecream
cone. You blew the power of that man way out of proportions, Rick Ross,
as all you do is exaggerating.

>
> This was possible because the Waco Davidians largely gave up their
> independent thinking

I wonder if you ever had something like an independent thinking, Rick,
or if a psychiatric case officer does the thinking for you and you just
follow his orders?

and allowed Koresh to think for them. He was their
> "messiah" and they followed him to mass suicide.

That was no mass suicide, it rather seems that you "experts" killed
those people with shutting off their water and drying them out. How
come it you did not figure out that cutting off the water to the
compound and shooting in the dryness would result in a large fire? Why
did you not tell the feds to not do that? You knew that the water was
cut off. You knew it was all dry there. The children did not commit
mass suicide, they were killed in a fire ball.

And in case many really wanted to die, how come you "expert" were not
able to make them decide otherwise?

>
> Ultimately, the responsibility for the Waco tragedy rests with
Koresh.

And none with you, we know, we know....

>
> See http://www.rickross.com/groups/waco.html
>
> The documentation to support these points is overwhelming.

You are just justifying the unprofessional conduct of those and
yourself involved. And the worst is, you did not even see a reason to
retire after that disaster. You continue to attack religions.

>
> Having said that it is understood, that there will always be
cultists,
> apologists and conspiracy theorists who will dispute these facts,
> rather than accept them.

After everything went wrong in Waco, they seem a lot saner than you,
Rick, not taking any responsibility for being a failure in what you do.

Once again, Rick, you failed to study the habits of Koresh and come up
with a plan to get him alone and then making him to make the others
give up. Too bad that the feds asked you for advice and not me. That
would have been my bloodless handling.

Barbara Schwarz
>
> Rick A. Ross
> www.rickross.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Eric wrote:
> > In article <1109434482.013183.191710@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> > <stevejdufour@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > See http://www.rickross.com/groups/waco.html
> > > >
> > > > There is a section here about my work concerning the Waco
> Davidians.
> > > >
> > > > Rick A. Ross
> > > > www.rickross.com
> > >
> > > Thanks for posting all this information. I haven't checked it
all
> out
> > > but I did notice that you seem to have made a mistake in the
title
> of
> > > one article. This letter seems to be from the office of Paul
> Simon,
> > > Senator from Illinois, not from the Senate itself:
> > >
> > > Davidian Tragedy - Letter from United States Senate to Rick Ross
> Dated
> > > November 19, 1993
> > >
> > >
> > > By Paul Simon, U.S. Senator
> >
> > Rick Ross is also posturing that this letter absolves him of
> > responsibility in the mistakes that lead up to the death of the
> Branch
> > Davidians. Since he was one of the primary advisors of the BATF
> during
> > this operation, it does nothing of the kind. Indeed, some consider
> him
> > the author and source of the BATF's "seriously flawed assumptions"
> and
> > when "the authorities made mistakes" they often did so on his
advice.
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mr. Rick Ross
> > >
> > > Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the federal investigation
> into
> > > the raid initialed earlier this year on the Branch Davidian
> compound
> > > near Waco, Texas.
> > >
> > >
> > > At the direction of President Clinton, the Treasury Department
and
> the
> > > Justice Department both conducted extensive investigations into
> this
> > > case. As you may know, the Treasury Department's report
criticized
> > > Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms officials for basing the
> > > operation "on seriously flawed assumptions." The Justice
> Department's
> > > report also acknowledges that authorities made mistakes, but
> concluded
> > > that the ultimate responsibility for the fire lies with the
Branch
> > > Davidians themselves.
> > >
> > >
> > > I am hopeful that through these investigations, something can be
> > > learned so that we can avoid similar situations in the future.
> > >
> > >
> > > Again, thanks for being in touch.
> > >
> > >
> > > My best wishes.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cordially,
> > >
> > > Paul Simon
> > >
> > > U.S. Senator
> > >
> > >
> > > PS/kvh
> > >

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