Re: Question on Chaitin



george says...
>
>
>Torkel Franzen wrote:
>> Keep in mind the fact that whatever your definition
>> of complexity (or "entropy"), it follows that the
>> complexity of n=n, for any n, cannot exceed the
>> complexity of the axiom "for every x, x=x".
>
>That would have to hold for every binary predicate
>that actually was (axiomatically) reflexive, over
>the whole language, not just =.

I don't think Torkel's point had anything specifically
to do with equality. I think his point was that there
*is* no definition of "complexity" that has the property
that the complexity of a theorem is less than the complexity
of the axioms used to prove it. In the usual notion of
complexity (Kolmogorov), the specific theorem

n=n

has complexity approximately log(n), while the
axiom

forall x, x=x

has a complexity that is some small constant. If
n is large, then the statement n=n has a much *greater*
complexity than the axiom "forall x, x=x".

There is nothing significant about "=". Torkel could
have made the same point with an arbitrary predicate
P(x): When n is very large,

P(n)

has a larger complexity than

forall x, P(x)

--
Daryl McCullough
Ithaca, NY

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