Re: "Friendly Premises"

"Acme Diagnostics" <LFinezapthis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

> Jesse Alama <alama@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>"Acme Diagnostics" <LFinezapthis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>>> ram@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>Acme Diagnostics <LFinezapthis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>[...]
>>>>> p.s. Hope I didn't overdo it! Hehe. Me? Never!
>>>>
>>>>Was that the "flame" you were considering?
>>>
>>> Some inside humor.
>>>
>>> But I do seem to have flamed the bad faith arguers
>>> out of this discussion. So I'm reasonably hopeful that we
>>> won't be arguing self-evident things like "What is a self-proving
>>> procedure?" or "Is logic math?" or "Are axioms-theorems-proofs
>>> for math or RW reasoning?" All that was false agenda pushing
>>> nonsense.
>>
>>As far as I know, we still don't know what a "self-proving procedure"
>>is. (It's not self-evident!)
>
> Well, I need to ignore the exclamation because that would make
> a hard universal resulting in a probable contradiction with "As
> far as I know." So I'm converting it to a soft universal.
>
> With that in mind, I can stipulate that you and other posters who
> have asked that question can't grok the phrase without limiting
> the generality of the foregoing statements, set in the *context*
> which you have *snipped*, for the reasons explained in these two
> recent posts in the thread:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cnssf
> http://tinyurl.com/b97lq
>
> and for other context generally throughout the debate which
> bears on the interpretation of the quote.

I can't grok the phrase because I can't grep it. In the text of the
first link you mention, the string "self" doesn't even appear, and in
the second the string "self" does appear, but you're not the one who
used it. In the text from the first link you talk about your ideas
concerning context, and the second is similar. The text you wrote in
these links is just like the one to which I'm replying now: you are
asked outright what you mean by "self-proving procedure", and you
respond not by answering the question (that is, you don't define the
term) but by talking about context and quotation.

I find this thread frustrating. Many of us have asked for a
definition, but you have evaded offering one again and again. Your
theory of context and quotation is interesting and applicable to the
hermeneutic aspect of newsgroup discussions, but I hope you can
sympathize with those who prefer a more direct response.

It's as though I ask you, as a colleague, what Kant meant by
"intuition" and you respond by giving me a copy of the Critique of
Pure Reason and telling me (with some murmurings about context) to
figure it out for myself.

Jesse

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Jesse Alama (alama@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
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