Re: "Friendly Premises"


Jesse Alama <alama@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>"Acme Diagnostics" <LFinezapthis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>> Jesse Alama <alama@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

<snip, quote out of sequence>

>The text you wrote in these links is just like the one to which I'm
>replying now: you are asked outright what you mean by "self-proving
>procedure", and you respond not by answering the question (that is,
>you don't define the term) but by talking about context and quotation.
>
>I find this thread frustrating. Many of us have asked for a
>definition, but you have evaded offering one again and again.

Well, I've evaded it in response to trolling, dogmatic
agenda-pushing and similar failed strategies.

But outside of that I defined it at length, which definition was
quoted in at least two other posts. A well-known regular poster
on math logic subjects successfully inferenced it into a correct
math term with some conviction here:

http://tinyurl.com/asc4k

You'll have to infer what he meant by "proof" yourself
since I am unqualified as I've posted many times. If you
can't, please take it up with him.

For what it's worth, and the evidence so far suggests it is
worth very little, I posted lots of other explanation and
definition of that phrase, for example:

http://tinyurl.com/bqnvn
http://tinyurl.com/aajcn

This at least demonstrates that I have attempted several
explanations, and at quite some length, in obvious contradiction
to your above implications.

Now I see that the part of the paragraph you quoted in your last
message, "All that was false agenda pushing" can be read as
unfair to you. If you read it that way, I apologize. I hereby
revise "all" to "nearly all" and specifically exclude you from
that statement.

My sole reason and intention in that paragraph was to
preselect and/or test qualifications for the sought-after
arguer described in the context you snipped.

>Your theory of context

What theory? I just wrote what is self-evident fact. Not
to imply it's self-evident to you.

>and quotation is interesting and applicable to the
>hermeneutic

Hereum... hermeune... hermc... Hey, wait a minute!

What makes you think these discussions are allegorical,
analytical, annotative, critical, declarative, demonstrative,
diagrammatic, discursive, elucidatory, enlightening, exegetic,
exegetical, explicative, expositional, expository, graphic,
guiding, hermeneutic, illuminative, illustrative, informative,
informing, instructive, interpretive, justifying, summary, or
supplementary?

Most of them might seem that way to the naive, but in fact
the large majority are an an altercation, beef, bickering,
blowup, bone, brannigan, brawl, brush, clash, controversy,
crusher, debate, disagreement, dispute, donnybrook, dustup,
exchange, face-off, falling-out, feud, flap, fuss, gin, go,
hassle, hoedown, knockdown, out, quarrel, rhubarb, romp, row,
ruckus, ruction, rumpus, run-in, scene, scrap, set-to, shindy,
spat, squabble, static, stew, tiff, words, or wrangle!

Why in tarnation are you usin' gall-darned words like hereum...
hermeune... her.. what you said! Why I oughta... You're nothin'
but a lowdown, tinhorn, cattle rustlin', yellow-bellied,
liver-lillied, no account city slicker!

>aspect of newsgroup discussions, but I hope you can
>sympathize with those who prefer a more direct response.

I sympathize with those who can't find or recognize a direct
response.

>It's as though I ask you, as a colleague, what Kant meant by
>"intuition" and you respond by giving me a copy of the Critique of
>Pure Reason and telling me (with some murmurings about context) to
>figure it out for myself.

That analogy is based on your false belief that I have failed
to explain the phrase, which belief is now corrected.

"Murmurings...???!!!" Why I oughta...

So, you know about that Kant piece, eh? Verrrrry impressive.
Maybe I'd better stop talking about reasoning and stuff because
you could jump in at any time and demolish my arguments with
Kant quotes! Well, let's put it this way: If I were stranded in
the middle of the desert with you, and you had a book on how to
find water, I'd be crawling in the opposite direction as fast as
I could crawl. And years later we'd find your skeleton with both
hands clutching "Critique of Pure Reason."

Larry
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