Re: Is the Empty Set a member of itself?



On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:53:17 -0700, "Russell Easterly" <logiclab@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


Let x = {{}}
Let y be an element of x such that y =/= {}.

There is no element in x, such that it is =/= {}. (Or with other words, _all_
elements in x are = {}.)

Hence you _can't_ define an element y in the way you /tried/. With other
words, "Let y be an element of x such that y =/= {}." is not a correct
definition..


Is y an element of x?

The question is meaningless, since "y" isn't defined (i.e. it doesn't have a
meaning.)


In ZFC, is there a difference between "doesn't exist" and the empty set?

Huh?


F.


P.S.
And no, the empty set isn't a member of itself, since it doesn't have any
elements (by definition).

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