Re: Heap-Set Theory H-S
- From: G. Frege <nomail@invalid>
- Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:57:46 +0100
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:17:31 -0800 (PST), Zaljohar@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
No, IIRC there are different systems, some with and some without theIndeed I agree with you totally on that aspect.
And right, imho it's natural (though not necessary from a logical point
of view - it seems) to rule out the "empty heap".
My personal argument (again a quote):
"... of course there's no "empty heap", if there are no objects
there is simply no heap, it "vanishes".
But I think in Mereology it is axiomatized that there is a heap that
is a part of every heap and they call it the Null heap.
null "heap". (As I already mentioned: the null "heap" is _possible_
from a pure logical -or formal- point of view.)
"... few authors have gone so far as to postulate the existence of a
?null entity? that is part of everything:
(P.11) EzAxPzx Bottom"
(http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mereology/)
My point is, that for a /theory of heaps/ (i.e. a _special_ mereological
theory) it is natural do exclude the "null heap", since "if there are no
objects, there is simply no heap, it "vanishes"."
Imho your error here is to read/interpret "c" as "is an element". Note
I understand that the Null heap is not empty of course since this
would contradict the first axiom in Mereology that is Ax ( x c x ).
that in set theory, we also have
0 c 0 (!).
- still 0 is the empty set (i.e. is empty).
Well, the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy again:
But what is the intuitive basis for axiomatizing the existence of such
an object?
"(Two exceptions are Martin 1965 and Bunt 1985; see also Bunge 1966 for
a theory with several null individuals.) Without such an entity, which
one could hardly countenance except for good algebraic reasons, the
existence of a mereological product is not always guaranteed. Hence
(P.7) must remain in conditional form. Likewise, differences and
complements may not be defined -- e.g., relative to the universe U.
Hence, the corresponding closure principles (P.8) and (P.9) must also
remain in conditional form."
You are right in doing so. There is none. It contradicts the "natural
In my above theory I didn't axiomatize that, because I don't see the
intuitive basis behind the existence of such a Null object?
meaning" of /heap/.
F.
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