Re: Can the 'Turing Problem' be deflated?

On Apr 2, 1:25 pm, J Jones <jonescard...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
george wrote:
On Mar 31, 6:27 pm, J Jones <jonescard...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
'Halt' is the recognition of
a fulfillment of a command.
WHY do you think YOU get to SAY what "halt" is or means???
WE *ALREADY HAVE DEFINITIONS* FOR ALL OUR TERMS!

You do NOT GET to tell US what "halt" means.
WE TELL YOU what "halt" means.

In any event, a determination of a 'halt' is the recognition of a
fulfillment of a command. Please.

I'm curious: what do you see the purpose of your musings being?
Essentially what I have seen you do repeatedly is tackle difficult
subjects by throwing verbiage at them. No new insight is generated;
no techniques result; no theorems obtain. The words you write don't
even have any particular meaning the way you put them together;
what is the point? Is your expectation that your analysis of the
Halting Problem will lead to faster microprocessors somehow?
More specifically, if you had cancer, would you want a
radiation oncologist who had studied the hard details of the
effects of different protocols on different types of tumors, or
would you prefer one who had consulted someone such as
yourself and thereby been relieved of the standard, misty-eyed
anthropomorphic, Madame-Curie-apologist conception of
radiation in a post-modern context? Which one do you think
would have the better cure rate? Or is my asking about cure
rates hopelessly mechanistic and beside the point?

Don't get me wrong; despite being an engineer, I don't
require of all human activity that it have justifiable mechanical
advantage. For example, I think high-heeled shoes look just
dandy on a lot of women, even though their design runs directly
counter the most immediate point of footware. But even so, I
wouldn't be especially well-disposed towards a shoe designer
who tried to tell doctors how they should think about radiation.


Marshall
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  • Re: Can the Turing Problem be deflated?
    ... Marshall wrote: ... a fulfillment of a command. ... You do NOT GET to tell US what "halt" means. ...
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  • Re: Can the Turing Problem be deflated?
    ... command has been made by the machine without our knowing it. ... fulfillment criteria, except those criteria given by the machine. ... in turn means that we cannot tell whether the Turing machine will halt ... HALT command is immaterial - which is true. ...
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  • Re: Can the Turing Problem be deflated?
    ... george wrote: ... You do NOT GET to tell US what "halt" means. ... a determination of a 'halt' is the recognition of a fulfillment of a command. ...
    (sci.logic)
  • Can the Turing Problem be deflated?
    ... This anthropomorphism allows Turing to claim that we cannot discern if a command has been made by the machine without our knowing it. ... This in turn means that we cannot tell whether the Turing machine will halt or not. ... Each step that the machine takes can be viewed as picking up a command and fulfilling it, or starting and halting. ... We cannot avoid the machine's limitation in being unable to show us the fulfillment of a command by commanding or programming the Turing machine to, as it were, 'switch off all the lights when you're done'; for we still need to know when to instruct the machine to 'turn off the lights'. ...
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  • Re: Can the Turing Problem be deflated?
    ... fulfillment of a command. ... Please stop pretending that you know what you are talking about. ... TMs are SYMBOLIC. ...
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