Re: Can the 'Turing Problem' be deflated?
- From: george <greeneg@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:58:02 -0700 (PDT)
On Apr 2, 5:25 pm, J Jones <jonescard...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
In any event, a determination of a 'halt' is the recognition of a
fulfillment of a command.
No, it isn't.
Please.Please stop pretending that you know what you are talking about.
TMs are SYMBOLIC. They are ABSTRACT. They do NOT
INVOLVE "recognition" and "fulfillment". They just statically
ARE what they are, all the time, LIKE THE LETTER 'a'.
A TM program is like a string or sentence of letters.
It has a structure just as surely as a sentence has words.
But it does not *really* involve anything or anybody DOING
anything, whether halting or anything else. It just lies there.
It just *is*. It's about BEING, AND NOT doing, DESPITE the
metaphorical language. While the program is actually being
executed on some hardware, you can talk about doing.
But the source CODE, the PROGRAM, is just a thing that
*is* as *opposed* to "does". And a TM is its PROGRAM, NOT
any physical machine that does something.
There are many many DIFFERENT ways of specifying or
encoding the program.
The stuff I said above is stuff you NEED to just BELIEVE.
You need to just TAKE MY WORD for it. You DON'T get
to have your own special super-insightful perspective.
You START by agreeing with THAT and THEN we can disagree
about complexities that follow FROM that. But we *must start*
from the *same* axioms.
.
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