Re: What should I say to the post-grads about Godel?

John Jones <jonescardiff@xxxxxxx> writes:

Jesse F. Hughes wrote:
John Jones <jonescardiff@xxxxxxx> writes:

Newberry wrote:
On Jun 13, 12:04 pm, John Jones <jonescard...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
The Prof has asked me to briefly introduce to the post-grads the
significance of Godel's incompleteness theorem to logic, notions of
determinism and free-will, and to other pertinent issues in philosophy.
This might include a discussion on the significance of proof itself.

What would you say to them on this topic? A few are analytic
philosophers, but most are, I think, continentalists, though this
shouldn't matter as Godel seems to be branching everywhere. These guys
aren't stupid though ..
You should stress that Goedel's incompleteness theorem has nothing to
do with determinism and free will.
Godel thought it did. I have to say why.


Let's begin with why you think Goedel thought so.


I'm interested in where most of you picked up or were taught your
logic. Some themes you seem utterly unfamiliar with.

Why not answer the question? Give a reference to Goedel's writings on
incompleteness and determinism.

Maybe you are all americans - the USA is strongly analytically
orientated so it may actually be true that most of the foundational,
non-formal work of the great logicians is being heavily filtered
out. Perhaps the reason for this is the consumerist,
production-orientated american way.

Perhaps. But you can settle this by giving a reference. After all,
I'm surely no Goedel scholar so I could have easily missed his
interest in all this. Where can I learn about it?

--
"And yes, for those who think that just maybe I did find a short proof
of Fermat's Last Theorem, and THE prime counting function, if I
succeed at what I'm working on now world economy as you know it will
be gone." -- James Harris branches out.
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