Re: The Asymmetry of Identity

On Oct 27, 5:26 pm, John Jones <jonescard...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
george wrote:

John Jones wrote:
The = sign doesn't guarantee unreserved symmetry between expressions..

No symbol guarantees anything. We mutually agree to its properties. By
stipulation, most uses of '=' are symmetric. The English use of 'is'
is not.

2=sqrt(4) wouldn't mean anything, unless sqrt4 is used to come up with
another number. Nobody wants sqrt4, a reference, for its own sake.

Maybe -you- don't. What about sqrt(9801)? -Somebody- may want to refer
to that, use it, all for its own sake.

An object that is given through a reference to itself has
no properties.

no -other- properties, at least none that have yet been specified.


 Object properties are given by reference,

No, they're not.  You can refer to a thing without giving ANY of its
properties
other than the route by which it is referenced.

Object properties are given by reference. Objects are presented.
Spatiotemporally usually.

Can't objects be presented as themselves or by reference or by
description? Why does this matter as long as there is agreement?


In order to perceive the reference, you would have to HAVE ALREADY
BEEN
given SOME reference to the object.  Whether that reference is or
isn't self is something
you may OR MAY NOT be aware of.  

Acts of self-reference are not surveyable.

What does that mean? DO you have some sort of technical or otherwise
specific meaning for 'surveyable'?

Mitch
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