Re: J. Advanced SR-cult Idiocies and Corruption

From: Dirk Van de moortel (dirkvandemoortel_at_ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com)
Date: 10/02/04 

Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 18:52:58 GMT

"Gregory L. Hansen" <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message news:cjmsr2$u5k$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu...
> In article <PXz7d.94479$as2.90637@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
> eleaticus <eleaticus@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> >"Gregory L. Hansen" <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
> >news:cjm5ol$nd7$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu...
> >
> >> I thought Bergmann's derivation was especially clear and straight-forward.
> >
> >> When I've carefully followed explanations of inconsistencies in
> >> relativity, I've consistently found two things.
> >
> >> 1. The author makes a simple mistake. He transforms x without
> >> transforming t, or doesn't understand the definition of a coordinate
> >> system in special relativity.
> >
> >But the truth is that SR does NOT transform coordinates. It transforms
> >everything but coordinates.
>
> SR is *only* about transforming between reference frames (not quite the
> same as transforming coordinates, but clearly related). Newton's laws
> remain intact, with some caveats about the way acceleration in F=ma
> transforms.
>
> >
> >The basic equations ( x'=g(x-vt) and t'=g(t-vx/cc) ) not only are not in use
> >but must essentially be outlawed to maintain some of its positions. Time
> >dilation being an example. Note that I said nothing about whether time
> >dilation exists, just that SR must not use its basic equations in maitaining
> >its position en re dilation.
>
> Outlaw the Lorentz transforms to maintain time dilation? How do you
> figure that?
>
> Suppose a clock is stationary in the unprimed system and define two events
> corresponding to two ticks, (t1,x1) and (t2,x1). The elapsed time is
> t2-t1.
>
> Transform to the primed system.
>
> t2' - t1' = g(t2 - v x1/c^2) - g(t1 - v x1/c^2)
>
> = g (t2 - t1)
>
> I don't know what you're doing, but the Lorentz transforms seem to work
> fine for me.

It is clear that he does not understand the concept of an event.
It is what all these raving lunatics have in common. Without a
minimal amount of intelligence I think it is an incurable disease.
A thousand years from now there will still be idiots shouting
that relativity is wrong because "time dilation" is impossible.

Dirk Vdm

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