Re: Skolem's Paradox and why is math the way it is?

From: Ross A Finlayson (raf_at_tiki-lounge.com)
Date: 10/19/04 

Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:39:21 +0000 (UTC)

On 18 Oct 2004, J.E. wrote:
>raf@tiki-lounge.com (Ross A. Finlayson) wrote in message news:<3c6b9c1e.0410171459.774f753d@posting.google.com>...
>> troubled6man@yahoo.com (J.E.) wrote in message news:<39d6e584.0410141002.45a9732a@posting.google.com>...
>> > raf@tiki-lounge.com (Ross A. Finlayson) wrote in message news:<3c6b9c1e.0410111828.1d929f6e@posting.google.com>...
>> >
>> Are you trying to tell me something about glue-ons?
>>
>> Oh no, they're gluons.
>>
>> You're telling me a gluon is a kinetic energy store sitting in the
>> middle of a molecular nucleus?
>
>A nucleus has gluons, with much potential and kinetic energy,
>regardless of whether the nucleus is part of a molecule, or just a
>part of a free meson or a free proton or similar.
>
>> That, and I can't change the atomic nucleus without freeing a lot of
>> energy?
>
>That's a loose, statement, and not one I'd make personally. There is
>some big energies involved, so there is room to release a fair amount,
>but you could excite a quark which would heat the inside of the
>nucleus up, but not so much that anything big happens. So I'd
>disagree with that universal claim.
>
>> Personally, there's not much transmutation going on around here.
>> There is probably normal background radiation: normal because I have
>> absolutely no idea what it is. There is probably significant
>> electromagnetic interference because I am typing this on a computer.
>
>Nuclei repel each over over large distances, and only attract at short
>distances, the odds of two getting close enough for the gluons in one
>to have a fair chance of reaching the other nucleus is pretty rare.
>You have more to worry about from ionizing radiation making chemical
>(molecular) changes in the bonds between atoms, then in physics
>allowing changes in the atoms themselves.
>
>> Gluons, from what you tell me, are particles in the standard model.
>
>Yes, bosons even.
>
>> The kinetic energy, that's great. It goes from a little packet of
>> gluons to "all the way out". It's kinetic energy!
>
>Gluons are like very strong springs, but they attach to quarks. It's
>pretty hard to get the internal energy into externally useable kinetic
>energy. But it happens in the sun. That's where the heat and
>radiation comes from. When the hydrogen gas was less dense and was
>cool, the energy was mostly potential and kinetic energy inside the
>nucleus. It still is now, but a bit of energy has leaked out.
>
>> See, then I want to use that theory in the inertial capacitor. It's
>> like: a self-winding watch, so you could carry your packpack around
>> all day, and it would carry itself around the rest of the day. The
>> Inertial Capacitor, it stores energy just like an electrical
>> capacitor, but kinetic energy. It's like a Perpetual Motion Machine,
>> except you can power it by exploding gluons in a gluon reactor.
>
>Have you ever studied thermodynamics? I don't have high hopes about
>self-charging things unless there is an incoming source of energy.
>And most matter is pretty stable in it's present situation.
>
>> Of course it helps if you have a gluon reactor that doesn't require a
>> 200 kiloton explosion to get a gluon. I'm ignorant, what are the
>> mechanics of working with gluons?
>
>I don't know what you mean by a gluon reactor. Liberating internal
>energy isn't easy, and most all you'll likely make is heat. So if you
>started doing a good job, then you'd get really hot, which is hard to
>turn into useful work. In a power plant, they keep the reactions from
>going too quickly, because heating water into steam turns turbines,
>but breaking water into hydrogen and oxygen atoms and ionizing the
>atoms is harder to turn into useful work. So I'd have doubts about
>the practicality of your pack too.
>
>I think all connections to math were abandoned with your last post, so
>I think you should either e-mail me privately or start a thread
>somewhere other than sci.math
>
>J.E.

"My Pen! Have you seen my pen?"

"My Pen! My Pen!"

That was from a skit from "Kids in the hall". A salesman walks off with
the guy's pen, and the guy chasing his pen gets dragged four blocks down
the street on a taxi. So he gets it back and attaches it to a tether to
his bodycast.

All the time he is shouting "My Pen, my Pen!"

I don't think there is a perpetual motion machine, except you're basically
telling me a gluon is like a spring. Just before you were saying the
constant g varies with kinetic energy storage. You get some nano on that
and it grows like crazy.

Now, there is the kinetic energy, what are your other kinds of energy? If
you knew that, then please tell me what they are, J.E.

I don't disagree with the standard model of physics. I actually don't.
They measured all of those things with very precise instruments. Every
day, scientific instruments collect zillions of gigabytes of data. That
could be put to good use, you can req uest from NASA all the physics and
scientific instrument data you want. They are busy handling that
scientific data. Go to NASA and read their papers!

I must say, Ken, it's been a while.

The self-winding watch, it's not perpetual motion, it just takes some of
the extra energy you don't need.

Virgil once wrote "When you (that's me) attempt mathematics beyond your
reach, it is a joke." Virgil thinks it's funny anytime I attempt to
extend mathematics beyond my reach.

Don't make me drag some other troll in here. Here, I'll try and address
some of Ken arguments: we mourn your frog, Ken. So long, frog. Vaya con
Dios! That's from when I explained to Ken what death was. Have you ever
heard any dead frog jokes? The frog, it goes in the blender, and its red
and green all over. That was the funniest joke of its time.

Hey, I'm a stochastic chemist.

Frogs aren't poisonous, mostly. I like to think I keep dangerous animals.
I borrowed a cat for a couple years: the cat, it's a bird murderer. I
call it the dang "Bird Murderer", that's my cat. The cat, it's got claws.
I kept it indoors. Its skin was
 getting blistered from the sun through its fur. It was probably mostly
scabs. It was worse years ago, the cat would kill a bird or squirrel
every day for a week. That's when I started calling it the "Bird
Murderer": Alex, Captain Dog. It's a cat. Ca t in blender: not funny.

Anyways, that's enough about trolling and Ken.

How do I make a green electric car? It takes all this metal work to
convert a gasoline car to an all-electric car with a gasoline generator in
the trunk. You get the electric motor in there, then it needs a whole new
gearbox. Then it needs pumps and fa ns for all the vacuum systems and the
things. I read about them in my Bosch Automotive Handbook. I have to
recommend this mechanic to you.

J.E., you're a troll. I think you should study space groups. Hey, now
I'm studying space groups, too.

Warm regards,

Ross F.

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