Re: Zenkin's paper on Cantor (reply of Dr. Zenkin)

From: David Longley (David_at_longley.demon.co.uk)
Date: 11/18/04 

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:46:03 +0000

In article <419cd7d4$0$44068$5fc3050@dreader2.news.tiscali.nl>, JPL
Verhey <matterDELminds@hotmail.com> writes
>
>"David Longley" <David@longley.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:Jpfd7EJk2LnBFw1T@longley.demon.co.uk...
>> In article <419c4735$0$44080$5fc3050@dreader2.news.tiscali.nl>, JPL
>> Verhey <matterDELminds@hotmail.com> writes
>>>
>>>"David Longley" <David@longley.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:ogGFp6BAYAnBFwB6@longley.demon.co.uk...
>>>> In article <320e992a.0411171745.ba123df@posting.google.com>, Eray
>>>> Ozkural exa <examachine@gmail.com> writes
>>>>>"Kent Paul Dolan" <xanthian@well.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:<a8d13dcbdca7ae739b921bb2ba3db48e.48257@mygate.mailgate.org>...
>>>>>> "Eray Ozkural exa" <examachine@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> You are certainly an embarrassment to your
>>>>>> university's degree program....
>>>>>
>>>>>With these kinds of remarks, you only underwrite your mental
>>>>>illness.
>>>>>
>>>>>You have understood absolutely nothing from my posts, and this is
>>>>>not
>>>>>surprising. But *you* are an amazing specimen.
>>>>>
>>>>>Your attitude became apparent when you failed to understand the real
>>>>>content of the extremely simple k-means problem. Your goal is not to
>>>>>understand. Your goal is to abuse people. AFAICT, you are merely a
>>>>>simpleton who knows how to google. There are so many like you, Mr.
>>>>>Dolan, and most of them grow out of that behavior when they finish
>>>>>high school.
>>>>>
>>>>>Disgusted,
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Eray
>>>>
>>>> This is false.
>>>
>>>Haha..
>>>Well DL, there is no one understanding you better than Dolan.
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David Longley
>>>
>>>
>> And there's an illustrative example of why it's false. Most people, at
>> any age, don't take criticism well (if at all), and very very few
>> actively seek it out even when it's in their own best interests to do
>> so. It's an essential skill of the professional to court criticism.
>> It's the sine qua non for learning.
>
>I just loath you, DL. You are on the same list with people who would say
>I'm an heretic and sinner, and am instructed that in order to understand
>that I should read the Koran.
>
>Longley Uh Ackbar!!
>
>

Except that I've been telling you to listen to some science (although
that doesn't mean that you shouldn't read the Koran, it contains some
sound advice). I've been telling you about matters of fact, and one of
those is that many of the things you believe to be true are in fact just
false. You very probably loathe anyone who tells you that you are wrong,
or who tells you what to do, or who otherwise openly criticises you. My
guess is that most helpful people who would criticise you (educate you)
quickly spot your inability to accept and learn from criticism, and give
up on you. That's just the way that it goes once you leave school. It's
often called "being polite", or "respecting each others' differences or
opinions" (but basically, these locutions are often just adult
euphemisms). It isn't how science works or any other form of rational
exchange. I suspect your failure to appreciate this is why you don't
really have anything "intelligent" to say on any of the issues which
have been discussed here. You miss all that's important and talk
incomprehensible metaphysical rubbish which even you can't make any
sense of. It's a very common problem, and yet you don't appear to
understand how it happens, or to care much that it does happen.

Some people refer to it as our "folk psychology". There's a lot of it
about. 

-- 
David Longley

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