Re: Amazing story - Roulette Scanning

From: Richard Henry (rphenry_at_home.com)
Date: 12/06/04 

Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:50:45 -0800

"Dan" <30pack@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> denis feldmann <denis.feldmann@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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> > Ian Stirling a écrit :
> > > In sci.physics denis feldmann <denis.feldmann@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > >>You are right. Look at "chaos (deterministic)", "sensitive dependance
> > >>(to initial conditions)", etc. Even a precision of angstr?m for
position
> > >> and 10^-6 mm/s for speed would quickly be lost, as for instance the
> > >>incertitude on angles are doubling at each rebound (even supposing a
> > >>perfect elastic circle). It is of course possible, in theory (but
highly
> > >>unlikely), that a correlation exists between, say, initial speed and
> > >>final number (and this could be analysed statistically), but a
> > >>deterministic model of the trajectory of the ball is doomed to fail.
And
> > >> on the material side of the story, I dont know for England, but in
> > >>France, cellular phones are forbidden in casinos, anyway.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, it's so doomed to fail that people have made millions.
> > > Google "the newtonian casino"
> >
> > Look at the story of early attempts in 19th century (the wheel tables
> > used to be worned out, in a statistical exploitable way (see "Joseph
> > Jaggers")), or what happened when blackjack was solved. The hard *fact*
> > is that nobody ever wins "millions" : casinos will simply not allow it.
> > Now for some Google searching...
> >
> > Note the use of "apparently" in
> > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14898 ,or of 'claimed' in the
> > Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulette
> >
> > Note also that the book is 1991, and remember how fast casinos *did*
> > (and do) react against any threat, be it scientific, psychic (yes, it
> > happened) or just fraudulent (associations between gamblers and
> > croupiers are much more frequent)
> >
> > But you may have some better confirmed information...
>
>
> One of my trips to a casino I observed somthing at a high stakes
> roulette table that was interesting to say the least.
>
> The player, the only one at this table, was placing $100 chips straight
> up on inside numbers and only placing on numbers that were neighbors
> all grouped together on the wheel and when he won would toke the dealer
> handsomely.
>
> The player would only change this group of neighbors after a winning
> spin of the wheel.
>
> I watched the game for about a half hour and I mentally calculated
> about every 5th or 6th spin on average the player had a winning number.
> The player had a huge advantage if he was being helped by the dealer
> for trying to place the ball to drop in a certain area of the wheel.
>
> Is it possible for an experienced roulette dealer to do this with
> years of experience and practice?

In full view of the security cameras? I would suspect a money laundering
operation.

By the way, does anyone appreciate the money-laundering capability of an
expensive hotel? Each room is a conduit for many times the daily rental
rate in cash payments, traceable only to the name signed on the hotel
register.

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