Well-orderings of infinite cardinals

From: Stephen J. Herschkorn (sjherschko_at_netscape.net)
Date: 12/06/04


Date: 6 Dec 2004 01:02:00 -0800

Anyone have a hint on the following problem from Kunen? (This is not
homework - it is for my own edification.)

Let R be a well-ordering of an infinite cardinal k. Show (in ZFC)
that there exists a subset X of k such that |X| = k and R
agrees with the usual ordering (i.e., membership) on X.

Say a set is R-agreeable iff R agrees with the usual ordering on it.
I have been able to show the result under the assumption that k is
regular (define an R-agreeable set by transfinite recursion), but not
in the general case. At first glance, Zorn's lemma does not help: It
is possible for there to exist a maximal R-agreeable set whose
cardinality is strictly less than k. I have tried starting from the
following:

In the case when k is not regular, let m be its cofinality. It is
easy to show that there exists nondecreasing cofinal f: m -> k such
that f(a) is a regular cardinal for all a in m.

Since we can find R-agreeable sets of cardinality f(a) for all a in
m, I was thinking we might be able to cook up some sort of compactness
argument. (This was the source of my recent question about subbases
and compactness.) However, I haven't been able to get this to work,
either.

Suggestions?

For clarity, here are some defintions which I am not sure are standard.

We use the von Neumann definition for ordinals and cardinals.

Given ordinals a and b, the map f: a -> b is cofinal iff the
range of f has no strict upper bound in b.

The cofinality of an ordinal a, denoted cf(a), is the least ordinal
b such that there exists a cofinal map from b to a.
An ordinal a is regular iff a = cf(a).



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