Re: JSH: Funding, real world, not fantasy

From: David C. Ullrich (ullrich_at_math.okstate.edu)
Date: 12/18/04 

Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:39:35 -0600

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:10:16 -0500, "Tim Peters" <tim.one@comcast.net>
wrote:

>[Tim Peters]
>>> [snipped another repetition of JSH's standard "Ullrich rant"]
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> [Will Twentyman]
>>>> Here's an idea: post links to the relevant articles so we can see the
>>>> facts for ourselves. You have been proven to be less than credible
>>>> about matters of (recent) history.
>
>[Tim]
>>> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.math/msg/3ecc5fc09d753b64
>>>
>>> Of course there's no slur to be found. "The incident" referred to
>>> was in early October of 1999. You can find it easily. David
>>> Ullrich was truly pissed at JSH for calling him a liar repeatedly,
>>> and "a lapdog" at one point. JSH even apologized for that. As
>>> David has explained endlessly ever since, he thought that delivering
>>> "some sort of racial slur" (that's as specific as it ever got) would
>>> be an object lesson in *why* people shouldn't talk about other
>>> people the way JSH did. But he didn't do so. He said he thought it
>>> would have been appropriate to do so, and that's the extent of it.
>
>
>[David Kastrup]
>> You are already falling victim to JSH's propaganda.
>
>It seems to me that when I was younger, people generally showed more skill
>in applying Occam's Razor <wink>.
>
>> Here is the sentence: "But I do recall that the "game" you were playing
>> was such that it seemed to me a perfectly appropriate reply would be
>> some sort of racial slur - someone talked me out of that." Note that
>> Ullrich _never_ claimed that a racial slur was appropriate in any way,
>> he said that a racial slur seemed to fit with what JSH was dealing out:
>> and this exactly because it was inappropriate to start with.
>
>As you just quoted, "some sort of racial slur" "seemed to me" "a perfectly
>appropriate reply". Unless you attach surprising meaning to the difference
>between "a" and "some sort of" here, "Ullrich _never_ claimed that a racial
>slur was appropriate in any way" just doesn't jibe with the quote calling
>"some sort of racial slur" "a perfectly appropriate reply".
>
>I understand and appreciate the different contexts in which "appropriate"
>can be applied here, and I *believe* I understand what David meant at the
>time: that responding to JSH's baseless hurtful insults with "some sort of
>racial slur" would be a reply-in-kind that perhaps JSH could understand --
>not specifically to hurt him, but as a way to get him to understand how his
>hurtful words sometimes made others feel. That's arguably appropriate so
>far as it goes. I happen to believe it's always wrong to use such speech in
>public, and from that more-distant view it would have been inappropriate to
>my eyes had he done so. Since he didn't so, I figure to his eyes too.

Congratulations, you got it.

Of course, some might say that you don't really deserve a lot of
smartness points for having figured out something that I've explicitly
stated several times. But considering the difficulty some others
(well, one other) seems to have here...

************************

David C. Ullrich

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