Re: JSH: Pure math, sci.math and reptiles

From: Nora Baron (norabaron_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 01/30/05 

Date: 30 Jan 2005 14:29:29 -0800

jst...@msn.com wrote:
> Now basically I have this idea for factoring. The idea is just
> that--an idea.
>

[Today's buzz-words are: reptilian, territorial, and
instinctive]

That is NOT how you presented it, and you know it.

You said outright that it solves the factoring problem; that it
factors in polynomial time, that you have a proof that it works.
What is the degree of the polynomial? Where is the proof? Where
is the infallible program which can be applied to crack a 100-digit
RSA number?

> What I face in talking about that idea has little to do with me, or
> even how over the top I may seem in describing it, and its
importance.
>

Is 'over the top' synonymous with 'speaking with a forked tongue'
or 'grossly exaggerating for purposes of self-aggrandizement' ?

> I've traced out the behavior of sci.math posters and it's
territorial.
>
> Some of you fight over postings on sci.math as if it's your
territory,
> and your behavior is basically reptilian.
>

In general reptiles are not territorial. Birds and mammals very
definitely are. Even some fish are. Humans are. Reptiles and
amphibians, mostly not.

> Years of checking and experiments have verified that it's reptilian
> behavior.
>

"Years of checking and experiments" ??? Give us a break. Are
you that reality-impaired?

And reptilian ... as in, speaking with a forked tongue??

> Certain posters see sci.math as their territory, and they attack any
> other posters that venture into that territory and doesn't follow
their
> arbitrary rules.
>

The "rules" are not arbitrary, and the attacks are not
territorial. You post incorrect math and spend huge amounts of
time bragging about it. You expect people to accept it just
because you say it is true. That goes right against a real
mathematician's training and instincts (which are *not* reptilian!
Reptiles don't do math!). If we see something wrong, we want to
correct it. "Years of checking and experiments" have shown that
your claims are usually wrong and mathematicians' objections to
them are usually right. How many times have you had to concede
errors? Why do you forget that so easily? How do you transmute
that record into "territorial behavior", with the implication that
we are lying and you are being treated unfairly?

What, basically, is wrong with you, anyway?

> The oddity of the behavior is that it doesn't appear to be sentient.
>

People here have responded exactly to what you posted. You have
deliberately prevented some of us from even seeing what you have
done by banning us from your discussion group. That seems
"territorial" in the extreme. People have posted examples of how
your program operates. People have commented specifically, in
detail, on the "theory" you have presented and tried to understand
it. Are you saying that is not being "sentient"?

You brag endlessly and extravagantly. Then you cover up what you
have done to forestall dissent. You say we are 'reptilian' and
'territorial' and not 'sentient'. You try over and over to rewrite
your wretched history, making us out to be liars and incompetents
and now, even subhuman. Have you reached the point where simply
nothing that is true gets through to you?

Really, what's wrong with you?

> So you see some posters who just mindlessly reply, year after year,
> literally.
>
> I find it fascinating, but also, sad and disturbing as the reality of
> human behavior is that much of it is not sentient, not aware, but
> instead much of it, like that of posters here, is reflexive,
> instinctive.
>

You "find it fascinating". You say it is "not sentient", that it
is "reflexive, instinctive". The subtext here is: you are a
supersentient, superlogical superior being, looking down with
bitterness and mild amusement upon us reptilian automatons. You
are the genius and we are a cackling horde of brainless but jealous
dinosaurs, trying to keep you down and away from your rightful fame
and glory.

So explain why in hundreds of arguments, over and over again,
over 9 years, you have lost purely on the grounds of mathematical
logic - lost after saying we were all liars and cheats, and then
had to say "Oops! I was wrong!" Is that what superbeings do,
over and over again?

> So I have various math ideas. Like now I have some factoring ideas
I'm
> working on, and I know what the response will be--reptilian
territorial
> behavior in the form of verbal attacks.
>

Reptiles in general are neither territorial nor verbal.

> The only thing human about the response is that words are being used,
> otherwise, it's no different than some basic reptile response in
> protection of territory.
>

Please specify what territorial reptiles you have in mind.
Turtles, perhaps, with their habits of compulsively marking
boundaries, singing, barking out warnings, and savagely attacking
other turtles?

> Now I get a kick every once in a while in pointing things out to this
> group, like how you don't actually value "pure math", or how many of
> you care more about social issues than the truth, and also about how
> little that is self-aware dares to sneak into your behavior.
>
> It seems to me that many of you are not exactly...well, I don't
exactly
> have the word.
>

Illogical? Stupid? Dishonest? Somnolent? Incompetent?
Reptilian? Harristotelian? You really should try to develop
that vocabulary.

> I'm finding it interesting studying what you do care about,

Here you go again: The Uebermensch, looking down from a
great mountaintop on us mere snakes and lizards - repulsive,
territorial, yet "interesting". This gratuitous utterly unearned
air of superiority makes me want to puke. Accomplish SOMETHING
first, do SOMETHING right for a change. Then you can gloat a
little. Until then, try working for recognition rather than just
trying to grab it out of thin air for unproven half-baked crap.

> as that is
> not hard to trace out either, and in tracing it out, I see how little
> that you do is original at all.
>

Read any math journals lately? No. You can't. You keep
yourself too ignorant. You have no idea what is original and what
is not. It took you 3 years to absorb what an algebraic integer
is. You have to work hard all the time just keeping yourself
deluded. You are a talentless crank.

> You are creatures run by programs. And you follow those programs
> without variation.
>

Thank you, Superman, for not killing us all with your mighty powers.
.
  Nora B.

>
> James Harris