Re: Importance of Failure

From: Volker Hetzer (volker.hetzer_at_ieee.org)
Date: 02/23/05 

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:41:23 +0100

<jstevh@msn.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1109119667.309729.181000@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> One type of post I've noticed come up every once in a while is a post
> where some person is informing me that if I don't have everything
> figured out, I shouldn't post.
No, you just shouldn't
a) make outrageous claims
b) insult skeptics

>
> Another of the same variety, informs me that I should have every detail
> worked out formally before I dare to put something out in public.

>
> However, in real research failure is part of work, and public failure
> is not as important as wasting time with flawed ideas.
So, how much failed research gets publishes in the way you tried to do?

> The top people, the best people, fail quite publicly, and in quite
> grand ways, over and over again,
Actually no. the top and best people don't fail more than once or twice.
And they certainly insist on being right when they haven't worked
thing out yet.

If failure were a necessary or sufficient condition of greatness, we all'd
be great.

> These results have a real world impact, though many try to deny them,
> and that impact grows with each passing day.
Can you give an example of one of your results the impact of which
grows with each passing day?

>
> Now the people who are looking at public failure are the people who
> spend so much time trying to control me and what I do.
This is called paranoia and it is treatable.

> I'm more or less, to use another football analogy, like a massive
> linebacker who just keeps pushing forward, with lots of little people
> dragging at me in various ways, fighting to hold me back--and failing.
Rather like a massive linebacker who can't play but insists on entering
the field even if he botches the teams chances.

>
> MASSIVE FAILURE is often just a way to move forward, as you look at
> what went wrong, where your mistakes were, and try to see where to go
> next.
>From your twisted reasoning I doubt that you will move forward from this.

> If you learn nothing else in this life, you should learn that you will
> always fail at trying to convince someone that they do not enjoy
> something they do enjoy.
I don't care what you enjoy. But some people view you as enjoying
polluting sci.crypt.

> I will keep doing what I clearly enjoy, and take the failures with it,
> just like a professional ballplayer.
A "professional" ballplayer as in "derives his income from it" as successful
as you would by now sleep in a cardbox. You are just an amateur that
doesn't have to make good on his promises and can bin his latest model
railway project if he thinks his fingers are too thick to put the parts together.

Concluding, while you provided some nice entertainment here it was about
time for the show to end.

Greetings!
Volker

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