Re: The Truth

Rendall Wojtas wrote:
> zuhair wrote:
> > Rendall Wojtas wrote:
> > > zuhair wrote:
> > > > Rendall Wojtas wrote:
> > > > > zuhair wrote:
> > > > > > As an Omnipotent he can do everything
> > > > > > even nullify himself into nothing , do you understand the word
> > > > > > everything weather it appears logical to us or not logical
> > > > > > "EVERYTHING".
> > > > >
> > > > > If God's existence is eternal then it can't be limited and the converse
> > > > > - therefore God is not omnipotent by your definition for omnipotence.
> > > > > The absolute omnipotence is nonsense, since it is contradictory.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rendall
> > > >
> > > > What you are talking about.
> > >
> > > There are 2 cases: God never nullifies itself and the opposite.
> > >
> > > If God *never* nullifies itself then it (God) can't nullify itself
> > > - therefore it is not omnipotent, because there is a thing it can't
> > > do. The reverse of this leads to the same conclusion.
> > >
> > > If a Turing machine never halts then it can't halt and the reverse.
> > >
> > > Rendall
> >
> > ... I said God can nullify himself, but he didn't do that.
>
> If it *never* do that this effectively means that it can't do it.

This is what i call " a classical example of capability-actuality
confusion.


Never doing a thing doesn't mean in any sense inability to do that
thing.
>
> More generally: if there is a proof that given system will not halt
> this means that the system can't halt no matter how "powerful" is
> the system.

rubbish.
>
> If you accept that God is subject to its own fate then follows that it
> is not omnipotent.

My dear God is only subject to his own wisdom
and benovolance. "Not Omnipotent" means that there exist an external
power to God
that limit's him from performing certain acts, and since by definition
there is no such
a being , then God is Omnipotent , to tell that he is subject to his
own will is not omnipotence is silly , since i defined omnipotence in
terms of being able to do whatever he wants to do.

I don't know why people try to depict the idea of omnipotence as
contradictive, this is silly,
such a being is possible, if we say that everything in the world is
finite and only one being
is infinite and that being is God, then it is clear that that being is
Omnipotent, and any argument against that is an obvious fallacy.

Zuhair
>
> Rendall
>
> PS. I use "it" to refer to God.

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