Re: zorn's lemma and ascending chain condition
- From: matthias@xxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: 22 Apr 2006 11:14:21 -0700
Mike wrote:
I am trying to figure out if the proof of the following well known fact
uses Zorn's lemma:
Let V be a partially ordered set. Suppose V satisifies the ascending
chain condition (every strictly increasing sequence x1<x2<x3< is
finite). Show that every non-empty subset of V has a maximal element.
The usual proof goes as follows: assume there is a nonempty subset T
that has no maximal element, then there exists element x1 in T since T
is non empty, and then there exists bigger element x2 in T since x1 is
not maximal, and then an x3 in T such that x1<x2<x3, and continue in
this manner. We get an infinite strictly increasing sequence, a
contradiction.
Am I using Zorn's lemma / axiom of choice here? It seems that in
constructing the sequence I'm making infinitely many arbitrary choices,
but I'm not sure.
You are using the so-called ``axiom of dependent choice'' which allows
you to make a sequence of choices, each one depending on the previous
ones. This is weaker than the full axiom of choice. If the possible
extensions were countable, or otherwise had a definable well ordering,
then DC would not be requried.
.
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