Re: JSH: My working theory on the psychology


jst...@xxxxxxx wrote:
To me mathematics is about the search for truth as the highest ideal,
and a mathematical proof is a part of the ideal of truth as it is
perfect, absolute, inviolable.

A mathematical proof is just true, no matter what, and cannot be
broken, tarnished or made false.

A mathematical proof is an absolute outside of time.

So I wonder about people lying about mathematical proofs, and the
explanation I'm working on now is that for many of you, everything I
said above is foreign.

And I don't think you believe it.

That's right. I'm not a mathematician, so I don't believe your
proofs without seeing them perform. Like factoring 6 digit numbers.
Your Java program couldn't do that, so you didn't have a proof.

And now you're expecting me to believe you have a proof WITHOUT
a program to verify it!


So to you a mathematical proof is a human construct that can be broken
or malformed, or may be true one day and false the next, and your view,
I believe, is that most importantly proof is what people BELIEVE to be
true.

That would explain how people could keep lying about my research, I
think, as some part of them may think that if they just keep saying
it's wrong enough times, it may be wrong, as if there is some
changeable thing about the research.

In reality, my past mistaken ideas--when I thought I had proofs and did
not--were just wrong, and never right. Correct ideas of mine, are just
correct, independent of me.

I have no impact on the truth or falsity of even my own ideas.

Their truth value stands one way or the other--true or false--without
regard to me, at all.

That reality is what seems to be missing from the mental paradigms that
many of you are clearly using.

For many of you, I believe, there are no absolutes, not even
mathematical proof.

The only absolute is a program. If you got a proof, write me a Java
program implementing it.


While to me, there is nothing outside of mathematical proof, so with us
inside of it as well, no thing stands apart from absolute truth, not
even nothing.

No tickee, no washee, friend.



James Harris

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