Re: They fail in reply to me all the time


Jon Slaughter wrote:
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One of the sadder things about this whole saga is how often people lose
in arguing with me--and just claim otherwise.

Then some other people claim they didn't lose, and the cycle continues.

So it's a group thing.

Kind of like a race where one runner leaves the others in the dust, but
after the race is over, they just say he lost.

This has been going on for years.

So no matter what, from my prime counting programs to the partial
difference equation within them, to my definition of mathematical
proof, to my logical ideas, the math people just say it's nothing
important.

So tonite I posted a simple algebra argument that blows away some
crappy math ideas, but so?

I've done it before.

The real world is about failure--the failure of reason.

More people will die this year from the failure of reason than anything
else, and even more will die the next year and the next, and you know
what?

A lot of those people will die confident they were making the best
decisions.

Reality is that a lot of people can be confidently wrong, and lead each
other, confidently, and wrongly, and face the consequences of those
mistakes, and it not change the reality, that a lot of people can be
confidently wrong and lead each other, confidently, and wrongly.

Proof for most people is just a word.


You problem is that you think by resisting the idea to learn common
mathematics that you can some how force everyone else to go a long with your
ideas about math. Its like me trying to convert all the chinese to learn
english when I can't speak a word of it.


I would argue that he's fallen into the trap which assumes that it is
possible to learn to think in math reliably and accurately - that the
knack for performing calculations in one's head can be modified to
solving equations and even coming up with new proofs right off the top
of one's head.

Unfortunately, the presence of mathematical intuition feeds it. What
"mathematical intuition" is has never been defined, or specified, so it
appears as if it was a magical faculty which a few people have and
others just don't. Since there is no innate mathematical ideas,
"mathematical intution" can't be something one is simply born with. If
there is such a capacity, it has to be trained.

If you don't mind a side witticism: "Do you see why Galileo was
excommunicated?" - An epynomous Roman Catholic.

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