Re: Cantor Confusion




mueckenh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
William Hughes schrieb:


This is the argument you present.


1) The set of lines is also the potentially infinite set of natural
numbers.
2) Every element of the diagonal is in at least one line.
3) Every initial segment of the diagonal is (in) a line.

No, there is one initial segment of the diagonal that is
not in a line.

Then name the element of the diagonal please, which supports your
claim.


There is one initial segment of the diagonal which is not defined
by a single element.

The potentially infinite sequence

{1,2,3 ...}

is an initial segment of the diagonal, but it is not in a line, nor
does it have a largest element.

(It is contained in the union of all lines, but the
union of all lines is not a line)



4) The limit (n -->oo, for the number n of elements) of the diagonal is
oo.

Yes and it attains this limit (i.e the limit is a maximum as
well as a supremum)

5) The limit (m -->oo, for the number m of elements of a line) is less
than infinite.

No. The limit is oo. (The limit cannot be any finite number)

And it cannot be an infinite number. There is no infinite natural
number.

Why do you think it is a natural number?
The limit of natural numbers does not have
to be a natural number. This limit is
not a natural number so it can be infinite.

- William Hughes

.



Relevant Pages

  • Re: Cantor and the binary tree
    ... >>> Every countable set like N is potentially infinite but not actually ... > n belongs to an initial segment S which does not contain n' ... > There are no well defined sets other than finite sets. ...
    (sci.math)
  • No Unique Initial Segment And No Characteristic Expansion
    ... Infinite people each flip coins infinite times. ... sequence that is different to everyone's sequence in atleast one flip. ... Unique Initial Segment, it does have a Characteristic Expansion. ...
    (sci.logic)
  • Re: Two results of set geometry
    ... segments of the first column including the whole infinite column. ... Each initial segment of the diagonal is in bijection with an initial ... there is no infinite row. ...
    (sci.math)
  • Re: Epistemology 201: The Science of Science
    ... to test its predictions against reality. ... There are no infinite sets in reality as far as we know, ... :>: line segment, but that's a whole other topic. ...
    (sci.cognitive)
  • Re: Epistemology 201: The Science of Science
    ... to test its predictions against reality. ... There are no infinite sets in reality as far as we know, ... :>: line segment, but that's a whole other topic. ...
    (sci.physics)

Loading