Re: sets definable by polynomials
- From: tommy1729 <tommy1729@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:56:40 EDT
( yet intresting i snip it )
Here are a few questions ...
not just a few , the most important id say.
im glad we agree on the basic questions.
( i waited for the idea to show up naturally )
i was wondering if a generalization would help or rather confuse ? ( meaning hypergeo in the integer input/output domain )
7 questions , sounds like gods pr-set questions :-)
anyways
(1) Do there exist two infinite pr-subsets of Z whose
union is not a
pr-set?
this question has been asked bye me before on another forum...
i believe i called it the AND problem.
( i like using 'and' 'or' 'not' in set theory , number theory , calculus , technology , logistics ...well math in general thus. it makes thinks as simple and logical as possible ( like einstein wanted ))
notice that if you change pr to non pr it is no longer neccesary true.
i believe this is the most important question , though probably equivalent to some of the other 6.
(2) If A is an infinite pr-subset of Z, and if B is a
finite subset of
Z, must (A union B) be a pr-set?
if all other 6 questions answers yes, i think it is unevitable.
(3) If A is an infinite pr-subset of Z, and if B is a
finite subset of
A, must (A\B) be a pr-set?
notice this is (1) and 'generalized'(7) together.
since \B is "deniel".
(4) If A,B are pr-subsets of Z such that A\B is
infinite, must A\B be
a pr-set?
again similar story.
if "deniel" exists and always is a polynomial,
than every polynomial is also already a "denied" state of the integers.
substracting a set B is then 'twice denied'
'twice denied ' is a union (1) pr-set if every seperate 'deniel' is polynomial.
and bye the assumed truth of (1) a union (if 2 pr-sets) is pr-set too.
and thus 'twice denied' ( = (4) ) is a pr-set too if (1) is true and "deny" (generalized (7)) is true.
(5) If A,B are pr-subsets of Z such that (A intersect
B) is infinite,
must (A intersect B) be a pr-set?
equivalent to (4) ( wich is equivalent to (1)+generalized(7) ) PLUS subsets (without intersect) of pr-sets / "deniels" are pr-sets too.
(6) If A is a pr-subset of Z, must {abs(a) | a in A}
be a pr-set?
i believe the answer is in the work of matheyasevich and i presume the primes are a counterexample ??
(primes are not pr-sets , but abs ( pr-sets) can be)
not sure though.
(7) [tommy1729's question] Is the set of non-square
positive integers
a pr-set?
this is then the "NOT" or "deniel" question in its general form.
i have had "and" ,"not" , but here is (logically)
"or" ->
is there always a pr-set for every A and B , where A and B are pr-sets too , which always gives an element of A or B but never elements that are in both (8), and never the same element twice (9)?
this is strongly related to the "deniel" of (5) with non-overlap restriction.
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curiously is the example of the "deniel" of an exponential/polynomial equation :
"deny" 4^n (8m+7) = a^2 + b^2 + c^2
(which can also be written in reverse of course !!)
tommy1729
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quasi
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