Re: The Law of the Excluded Middle again (long)

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"T.H. Ray" <thray123@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Michael Press wrote:

In article
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"T.H. Ray" <thray123@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:54:14 EST, "T.H. Ray"
<thray123@xxxxxxx> wrote:

[Something seems to be wrong with your line
length,
although
perhaps that is due to the Math Forum, and can't
be
changed.]

[...]

Those who believe in the traditional mathematics
(as
I do, if
only out of ignorance) would certainly feel that
it
has some-
thing to do with mathematics if the validity of
its
methods
of reasoning are called into question! What is
unclear about
that?

[...]

Line length looks fine in my viewer. I have
inserted
the conventional breaks.

Problem is that Math Forum is line wrapping
quoted text, and that is generally considered
impolite, even fraudulent.

In addition Math Forum is extremely impolite
by throwing away the contents of the
References: header when it replies to a
message.

Finally, do you think you could find a way
to include an attribution line when you
reply to an article?

Thanks.

--
Michael Press

I can type in an attribution line, as above. Is
there anything I can do about the rest? I don't
even understand what you mean, since I don't
know what you read on the other end. Please
advise.

Tom

First of all you write mathematics clearly, and when
the topic is within or near my grasp I usually am the
better for it.

Second of all, you should not have to manually enter an
attribution line. Your newsreader should do it for you.

I will write as if you know very little about this
stuff. Math Forum is a http to nntp gateway to
sci.math. The usenet group sci.math predates M.F. by
many years. Usenet runs on a protocol called Network
News Transfer Protocol (nntp). Nntp is a pure text
medium. Math Forum is a web page that runs on Hypertext
Transfer Protocol (http). Http has imbedded commands
that are interpreted by the http client. Before M.F.
and Google, everybody posting to usenet ran a
newsreader client program on their local machine that
connected to a news server from which they requested
and downloaded articles. M.F. acts as a newsreader
client program but does not run on the user's computer,
instead runing on http servers at Drexel. Still many
people read sci.math the old way.

The way M.F. formats articles is what I am talking
about, and I do not know how much control you can
exert. Most newsreaders automatically generate an
attribution line with author, date, and MessageID. Most
newsreaders quote the text from other authors exactly.
I have not used M.F. The only thing I can suggest is
that you have a quick look at any user options they may
offer. You may have done all you can with what they
offer. You do line wrap text, something that M.F.
typically does not do by default. Unfortunately they
seem to be line wrapping quoted text, and you cannot
control that. Maybe compose your text in your own
editor, then paste it into the Math Forum reply window
that has not line wrapped the quoted material.

As for what I see: it is quoted exactly in this reply.
M.F. and Google interpolate text and formatting that is
not present in the pure text of a usenet post.

Please do not overly concern yourself. I replied in an
attempt to expand upon what Angus Rodgers said, and to
comment once again on some of the details of usenet practices.

Cheers.

--
Michael Press
.

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