Re: Abolish Fractions?

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:41:35 +0000, Angus Rodgers
<twirlip@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:17:01 -0500, David Bernier
<david250@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The video & transcript of the mini-lecture are under DeTurk here:
< http://www.sas.upenn.edu/home/news/sixtysec_lectures_archive.html#D >

I waited to see his actual words before trying to make a judgement.

From the transcript:

It?s not that writing ratios like 385 over 23 should be banned.
But such expressions should simply no longer be considered to
be numbers.

If he had only been proposing not to teach all children all of the
rules for calculating with fractions, he might have a decimal point,
and I'd even have 48.7134% of a mind to agree with him

Hehe.

(and put all
the fuss down to poor reporting by the Press, or canny promotion of
his forthcoming book), although I'd be worrying about the education
of children who do have mathematical curiosity. I hope they would
have at least the option of learning how to work with fractions, so
that operations with decimals would make sense. I also don't see
how operations with decimals (i.e. decimal fractions - to give them
their full title) could possibly make sense to /anybody/ who hasn't
been taught at least what they /are/, as fractions. Which leads me
to ... "simply no longer be considered to be numbers"? That just
seems to be 99.999% unequivocally 'irrational'!

Haha.

I don't see how it could even be explained away as being provocative,
or making a joke.

Well, jokes have no real limits (I think that's a corollary to some
general theorem on comic sections).

After all, what kind of answer is "385 over 23," when "about
16.7" conveys the same information so much more directly?

The information being, sixteen and seven tenths? Or if not that,
then /what/ information? Just a string of decimal digits, to be
manipulated blindly, and with ignorant trust in the accuracy and
reliability of computing machinery?

Are we to have a mathematical Newspeak in which we can no longer
even think the thought that sqrt{2} is irrational? I say, teach
them Eudoxus's theory of proportions! Then the little blighters
will be glad only to have to worry about fractions! :-)

Haha.

(The smiley is sadly necessary, because my modest proposal seems
scarcely any dafter than the one actually under consideration.)

I thought quasi was just being silly (after all, he has given me
the "kook" treatment once or twice),

That treatment was well deserved, but you've improved dramatically --
you must be taking your meds.

but after reading DeTurck's actual words, I really do find myself wondering
what on Earth he thinks he's on about.

I keep thinking that, as an obviously respected researcher (also
a former associate editor of the American Mathematical Monthly),
he /must/ have a serious point, but he seems to be going to great
lengths to make it hard for anybody to see what his point is.

Am I just missing the joke?

It's a joke -- I'm almost sure of it.

Watch the video -- he can hardly keep a straight face.

Plus he's _reading_ the words. He can't bring himself to say such
ridiculous stuff and make it look like it's from the heart. In that
sense he's not a natural comic.

I'm sure the spoof is just a publicity stunt for his book, and that
the book probably makes the _opposite_ argument to its title. The book
probably opens with a similar spoof, and then he proceeds to shoots it
down, effectively messing with the reader's mind for a short while.
I'd _bet_ on it, but I wouldn't bet a lot -- for all I know, maybe he
really is a kook. But as I said before, it doesn't matter -- spoofster
or kook -- either way, he's not to be taken seriously.

quasi
.

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