Re: The quaternion group as a product
- From: magidin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Arturo Magidin)
- Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:31:59 +0000 (UTC)
In article <9303181.1211518435631.JavaMail.jakarta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Adam Burley <ajburley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I don't read the newsgroup through a browser. That's
part of the
problem. Not everyone reads the newsgroup through a
browser, or
through (bleach) MathForum.
I don't quite understand this, but I posted the message to a Maths
forum on the internet called "Math Forum".
I know. You notice I even named it?
The Math Forum is a web interface that allows you to read and post to
a Usenet Newsgroup called "sci.math". Newsgroups predate web browsers.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
I am looking at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum
and it mentions
"...forums perform a function similar to that of Usenet newsgroups ...that were common from the late 1970s to the 1990s."
"Precursor systems like Usenet have been archived as far back as 1981 by Google Groups"
Sigh.
A cat has four legs and a tail. But if you call the tail a leg, then
how many legs does a cat have?
Four. Calling the tail a leg does not make it one.
Drexel's Math Forum is not an "Internet forum" within the meaning of
the wikipedia page you are reading, despite its name> Drexel's Math
Forum is a portal that administers a number of mailing lists, AND a
portal to the usenet groups sci.math, sci.math.num-analysis,
sci.math.research, sci.math.symbolic, sci.stat.math, and
sci.stat.edu.independent.
http://mathforum.org/kb/forumindex.jspa
has a list of everything they have. Click on "sci.math*", you will get
sent to
http://mathforum.org/kb/forumcategory.jspa?categoryID=16
and you will see right at the top that it reads:
sci.math.*
Usenet newsgroups about mathematics.
^^^^^^
And you have been posting (59 times since December 2005) through the
sci.math usenet group.
Clearly, you were not aware that you were posting to sci.math and to a
usenet group. But when you were informed of this, your reply was to
blame me, then blame mysterious "others" who had been "copying" your
message in places you did not intend, etc. Rather silly, and
demonstrating profund ignorance about the nature of the medium in
which you are participating.
It is located at mathforum.org. If my post has somehow been copied
to other forums, and copied incorrectly (all as one line) then I
apologise for that.
Math Forum's interface does not provide appropriate end-of-line
characters to the text it sends (as opposed to other web
interfaces; even google knows how to send a proper end-of-line
character.
It provides appropriate end-of-line characters to me, as shown by the link I sent you.
Sigh.
The MESSAGE contains no end-of-line characters. What you are seeing is
the INTERFACE that is introducing those characters.
Most usenet portals provide formatting for their messages (trn, emacs,
even google). This formatting includes either soft or hard
carriage-return/end-of-line characters for formatting. MathForum is
one of the few that does NOT provide such characters in the message,
and instead relies on its own interface to provide them when
displaying. That is why it messes up the quotations so much, as you
can see in your own message, giving long/short/long/short lines and
often messing up multiple quotations.
If you were to hit Enter at the end of lines, your messages would
still be readable exactly the same on Math Forum, but they would also
be easily readable by everyone else, as they would then conform to the
standards of the medium in which you are posting. Apparently, however,
this is a bit too much to ask.
[...]
Obviously someone has copied the message onto thisGoogle
site, and copied it incorrectly.
No, they didn't. YOU posted it to Usenet,
distributed worldwide,
through the Math Forum. Google happens to receive
Usenet messages and
have them available. I'm reading it through the
Newsserver at UC
Berkeley. Others read it from all kinds of other
places.
If "Math Forum" has posted my messages to "Usenet", then again, I am
sorry for this, but it is out of my hands.
Math Forum posted your messages to Usenet because that is what ->it is
supposed to do<-. The section of the Math Forum you are posting to is
MEANT to post your messages to usenet. In fact, that is its ->sole<-
purpose: to post to usenet and to provide access to messages in
usenet. Apparently, you were unaware of this.
Perhaps in future just ignore my messages if theyappear on another
forum, as someone is obviously copying them acrossto there, and this
is not what I intended.
All your messages are appearing WORLDWIDE. If this
was not your
intention, perhaps you should stop posting and learn
a bit about what
it is you got into instead of wondering how come
everyone is saying
those big words you don't understand.
Please do not patronise me.
I could say the same, Mr "If you are interested in maths you should
check out the forum", nee "Perhaps you should update your browser".
I have a 2:1 Masters degree in Maths from a major university
(graduated last July)
Congratulations! I have a Ph.D. from, let's say a reasonably good
university, and have had it for a bit longer than 11 months.
and I really do not appreciate it when you use phrases like "saying
those big words you don't understand" and calling me "son" like I am
still in high school.
You are demonstrating that you enjoy giving advise from a position of
ignorance, and blaming mysterious "others" for doing what you yourself
did (in ignorance). That suggests how you ought ot be treated.
I am trying to be reasonable with you here and give you some tips to
solve our problem.
You were patronizing, from a position of ignorance, to someone who
actually knew far better than you what was going on and tried to
explain it. You were not reasonable, you are not reasonable. You are
being unreasonable, in denial, and contrary.
I do not intend to stop posting, as I enjoy this forum,
You claimed that you did not wish to post to Usenet. Since the forum
you are using IS usenet, and is exclusively usenet, and is meant to be
usenet, and is nothing BUT usenet, you must either change your desire
"not to post to usenet", or else you must stop posting in this forum.
and I do not think that many people are experiencing the same
problems as you.
How would you know? It is pretty clear you don't really have much of a
clue as to what you are doing or what is going on.
--
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"It's not denial. I'm just very selective about
what I accept as reality."
--- Calvin ("Calvin and Hobbes" by Bill Watterson)
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Arturo Magidin
magidin-at-member-ams-org
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