Re: What has fractal theory achieved?



On Jul 5, 6:03 am, "T.H. Ray" <thray...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Huang wrote







I'd settle for a simple observation of say an
M-brane.

I'll tell you what it's good for. Misdirection.
To
divert minds from
the obvious fact that randomness is a fluid
embedded
in length and
time, and such a dynamics is all one needs to
completely unify all of
physics once and for all.....

....and Im actually starting to sound a bit like
JSH......

We all want to promote our ideas over others';
however,
one who fails to rigorously define terms and who
ignores
previous results, is doomed to fail.

Tom

Referring to my own ideas (not string theory), I dont
think that I am
the first person to think of these things at all. The
problem with my
approach is that while it might look like math, it is
just slightly
different. It no wonder at all that this approach (of
mine) is not
considered mathematics, and why it is ignored.

My view is that you have mathematics, which is a
logical structure
composed of things which exist. You also have this
thing called
nonexistence, a place where nonsense reigns. My view
is that the work
I am doing is right in the middle between these two.
It is
indeterminate whether it is mathematics, or non-math.
It is a third
species, this place that I am working in. Not really
math, and not
really non-math, it is somewhere in between.

So, at least I have an excuse and a reasonable
explanation for working
with things which "border" on being nonexistent.

String Theory makes no such apologies, and if I am
not mistaken it
attempts to commit some of the same sins that I have.

You are mistaken.  The only "sin" that string theory
has against it, is its present inability to incorporate
physical measurement into mathematical results.

That's hardly the same thing as "between existence and
nonexistence," for whatever that means.  You don't even
have a good definition for "existence", let alone for
whatever may be "between" it and whatever it is not.

Tom


In defining existence, first we have to consider whether we are
talking about physical or mathematical existence. My usage is in the
mathematical sense, along with the claim that this provides the most
realistic model of reality.

In math, there is always a problem of ill-definitions. If existence
cannot be properly defined, then can we assume that all of mathematics
is based on an ill-defined notion ?

Perhaps it is...but I dont think that this falsifies anything.

In philosophy, there has always been this problem of the objective
existence and the subjective existence. Clearly, from a philosophical
standpoint one can take the position that it could be one or the
other, that it is "indeterminate" as to whether existence is
subjective or objective. This is clearly the most sensible thing if
you really think about it. It has been an open question, and there is
no answer because it is in fact indeterminate.

Your counter is easily defeated by the fact that mathematicians
routinely use the concept of existence and nonexistence, they dont
bother to define it either, and even if they did I doubt that they
would mention the notion of certainty. X exists with %100
certainty...Y is nonexistent with %100 certainty, etc.

So the common usage is ill-defined anyway.

It's broken. And physics cannot possibly be unified until it is fixed.
Dont blame me for this, I did'nt invent probability theory.

Can existence be defined ? I think we need a philosopher at this
point, and we're headed for paradox territory, which I am perfectly
comfortable with. Zero apples IS zero oranges - if ya know what I
mean.


:)





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