Re: Order modulo p^n (Number Theory)
- From: "dark.sorrow.mystery@xxxxxxxxx" <dark.sorrow.mystery@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:09:53 -0700 (PDT)
On Sep 15, 2:21 am, Angus Rodgers <twir...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:01:55 -0700 (PDT),
"dark.sorrow.myst...@xxxxxxxxx"
<dark.sorrow.myst...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 15, 12:37 am, Tonico <Tonic...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 14, 3:56 pm, "dark.sorrow.myst...@xxxxxxxxx"
<dark.sorrow.myst...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello need some help with a question in number theory im attempting
Let p be an odd prime and n > 1 an integer. Find the order of (1 + p)
modulo (p^n).
Cheers
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Hints:
1.- Try with p = 3, 1 + p = 4 and n = 1, 2, 3, 4, and then with p = 5
and 1 + p = 6, and then even with p = 7 and 1 + p = 8...
2.- Now prove your guess or huntch: use Newton's binomial with
(1 + p)^(p^(n-1))...you may want to show that the binomial
coefficient [p^r : r] is divisible by p iff r is a multiple of p...
Regards
Tonio
Cheers, thanks you for your help, I should of used the examples to
find the order. Then try prove it. was trying to come up with the
order via theorems and was getting know where. Thanks Tonio on the
binomial, that really helped with the proof ofthe order.
Can you explain your proof?
My original "proof" was a load of dingo's kidneys (as I would have
realised if I had typed it up neatly to post to sci.math). I think
I've fixed it now, but I'm still reluctant to post it until you've
shown your work.
--
Angus Rodgers
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Hey,
well first through writing a few examples I saw that the order should
be p^n-1.
After that I used Newtons binomial and showed that p^n divides all the
coeffients apart from when k=0. (lower bound on my sum) which gives a
remainder 1, giving the required (1+p)^(p^n-1)= 1 mod(p^n). So either
that is the order or the order divides p^n-1. Then i showed for any
powers less than n-1 the expansion dosent give the remainder 1 and the
coefients are not divisible by p^n. :)
cheers, sorrow
.
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