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be jealouss: this is good for your feromonial activity; don't you see
what you have on your face?
Hi! AWESOME's say HI!
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fines des toutes crepouscules (twilight), by I want to confesed to
you; I'never confess to womens is the most dangerouss, but in these
days, indeed GOD plays noDICE, but we must play EVEN DICE-see
STHATISTICS&PROBABILITY, STHOCHASTYC PROCESS- by Kolmogorov, Markov,
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and after, from tongue by tongue, cause the Palestine is not yours, is
not mine, but of your succesors of the succesors in TIME of TIMES
(butaforical- flames and thunders):

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jappaneese & chineese, french & cambodgians, vietnameese & US Army:
"how the poet NAPOLEON"says: WAR MAKE THE DIFFERENCES -SURVIVORS
FRIENDS REMAINS":

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AMPUTATION, DEATH SOULS, by N.V. GOGOL, RUSHES WRITER-a BIG one:
NOT THEORY OF CONSPIRATION, BUT DETAILS OF CONSPIRATION's PLAN
I'm glad I bring you finally in the front of community; Is true, I
enterprised few things for PINCH-UP from hairy skins, DEAR ALIENS
You have such a lot of right: I don't study; maybe you HEARD about
Barbilian infinitesimal group;
I resume to invent TIME by TIME;
Bienvenue le TRIBAL(e);Call your brothers to talk,
How is the wheather in Edinborough Castle?
The girl, single, without help, is the same devoted granpa( 123)
keeper?
local-euclid maybe, what about extensive? Univers? into an Elipsoid?
I could consider, in your oppinion, this close geometry of Cold plak,
vs. an (Univers) in expantion?
You, list of chapters, let your skiny heads, from INSIDE GEOMETRY;
I discovered many FAKES and you know that;
YOUR DESTINY and My FREE-WILL make us ENEMIES;
Hyperbolic Geometry, not count, if is local -E and if I make or not
assumptions;
IF MY BOOK "MYSTERIES OF TIME -A THEORY OF TRANSCENDENCE" IT IS A
WRONG THING,
WHY DO YOU MAKE SUCH AN EFFORT TO DISCUSS ABOUT IT ?
IT'S INTERESTING, ISW'N' IT, BUT SAID THE FOX, LET TASTE THE WINE,
MAYBE WE BUY CHEEPER;
YOU KNOW WHAT; SOME KNOWLEDGE, IS GOOD TO BE JUST SMELL, NEVER
EXPLAINED IN HIS ENTIRE WHOLE;
I DON'T WANNA SEE FLYING ON THE SKY WHAT I SHOW TO ALL, HORROR IN
SILENT FLY -SCAN JACK, DEATH ON TWO LEGS;
But I WANT to tell YOU, DEAR ALIENS, I, I JUST UNDERSTOOD, THE WHOLE
PLAN THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU WITH TWO MUCH PROUD, MAKE TO INSLAVING THE
ALL PEOPLES OF THIS PLANET; i know all your machinery works, and, this
HOURS presidents, and whole planet will KNOWING THE CONSPIRATION PLAN;
I Did'n't talk or imagine whole my life bad things;
SOME SORT OF SO-CALLED "Conspiration Theories" was foreign to my
thinking mode, CAUSE I'M NOT EVIL, BUT WHEN YOU BUILT THE PLAN, YOU
REALY YOU HAVE SERVED THE DEVIL !!!
WHY DO YOU CARE, IF MY THEORY IS THE "DOGMA", you think "Chatolic",
eventualy "ORTHODOX" DOGMA, caused I'm not Chatolic;
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SEE, yesterday;
TWO reson for YOUR BOSS TO GET OUT FROM THE "RABBIT HOLE";
YOU SMELL THE FLAMES AND THUNDERS ?
DEAR ALIENS ?
WAS A GOOD JOKE YOU SAID WHEN I FELT YOUR EVIL SWAMPING HORROR
SMELING !
NOW YOU KNOW, YOU HORIFFY THE ENTIRE WORLD !!!
WHATA THEORY OF CONSPIRATION ???
YOU REALIZED THE WHOLE CONSPIRATION AGAINST HUMANITY, and you KNOW
THAT I KNOW;
Because I don't BLUFF;
I KNOW WHOLE PLANS
PLANS OF YOUR CONSPIRATION;
NO THEORY !!!


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TOPIC: The modern mathematical concept of infinity is indefensible
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== 1 of 24 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 20 2009 12:05 am
From: Han de Bruijn


David R Tribble wrote:

Han de Bruijn wrote:

A pair of shoes is a set. Right ? Is a set a physical object ?

David R Tribble wrote:

I would say that a pair of shoes is a "set of shoes" in the physical
(real world) sense, but not a "set" in the mathematical sense.
For one thing, there is no convenient way to have the powerset
of such a "set", or indeed any group of sets that have common
elements.

Han de Bruijn wrote:

Sure. A set in a physical sense is not a set in a mathematical sense.
So let's keep mathemathics separated from reality at any costs. Sure.

Perhaps we should just keep our words straight.

When you say "set", do you really mean something like a box
of shoes?

A box of shoes is a set. A set is not always a box of shoes.

Han de Bruijn
== 2 of 24 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 20 2009 12:26 am
From: Han de Bruijn
David R Tribble wrote:
Jesse F. Hughes wrote:
So, which cranks have been stopped from claiming that NSA is the
theory they prefer?
Han de Bruijn wrote:
NSA is complete nonsense. Period.
That's a pretty strong opinion.
We are sitting on the edge of our seats waiting for your proof.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_analysis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_nonstandard_analysis
Once upon a time, infinitesimals were declared _nonsense_ by
mainstream
mathematics. You know: Archimedes property and the like ..
But then there was a man named Robinson and he said that
infinitesimals
should be defined by infinite completed sets. He spoke some
irresistable
magic words of Set Theory and .. TATTAA .. they suddenly were
"defined",
again, and in a "rigourous" way as well .. Whew !!
Please gimme back the good old delta's and epsilon's ..
Han de Bruijn
== 3 of 24 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 20 2009 12:29 am
From: Han de Bruijn
David R Tribble wrote:
MoeBlee wrote:
Who are these MANY people who say someone is a crank MERELY for
adopting an alternative set theory?

Han de Bruijn wrote:

_This_ "crank" rather finds that set theory should be a less interesting
part of mathematics. And set theory can certainly not be regarded as the
one and only foundation of mathematics.

AWESOME: Yes, indeed, I say !!!

I don't recall anyone here ever claiming that. Do you?

AWESOME: I already observe this ! And I'm Glad for your less support !!!

But I'll beat that you have a different, but superior foundation for math, don't you?

AWESOME: Oh, you are so brilliant! You are not mathematicians, but
superior, you claims!!!

There is not a one and only foundation of math. Mathematics has many
different aspects and I want to be preserved all of them. Especially
the less theoretical aspects ..

AWESOME: Then, let me preserve me too my nonstandard-analisyss math
Han de Bruijn?
== 4 of 24 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 20 2009 12:47 am
From: Han de Bruijn?
David R Tribble wrote:?
Albrecht writes:?
?
The problem is that they can not allow themselves to understand the
arguments. On the other side, the only argument for their position is
the argument that "thousands of mathematicians can't be wrong". But
the history has shown often enough: it happens all the time.

AWESOME: Like you too, people, anyone, have the right to cheat
himself;
SEEMS TO BE, YOU HAVE IN ADITION, THE OBLIGATION TO CHEET YOURSELF;
JUST TASTE YOUR SALIVE WITH THE FINGER AND TESTE THE WIND's DIRECTION
Jesse F. Hughes wrote:?
?
"Wrong" in what sense? You agree that ZFC is not inconsistent, so
what's wrong with it?
?
Han de Bruijn wrote:?

A system of faith, though it is consistent, can nevertheless be wrong.?

Only if its basic assumptions are wrong.?
AWESOME : what I called ILOGICAL SPACE, you CALL IT: A WRONG ASSUMPTION.

- Euclidean (only) geometry?

AWESOME: LIES INDIGNIFY ALL SCIENTISTS;

Is approximately right? and this approximation is very good?. So good
that
in dayly life nothing else is needed !.

- Flat Earth cosmology !

AWESOME: Why did I mention ARISTOTEL, you CALLED IDIOT AND HIMSELF IS
NOT HIER TO DEFFENSE HIMSELF?

The flat earth is a good approximation in your immediate
neighbourhood.
As a cosmology, it is wrong, admittedly.

- Humours theory of medicine?

AWESOME: I observe you can read in romanian, you had progess, but
believe me, it's genetics and researches since before you make beeing
in this world, OUR WORLD !!!

- Earth-centric solar system cosmology !

An earth-centric solar system is overly complicated, but not
necessarily
wrong. As a cosmology, it is wrong, admittedly.

AWESOME: I remember you claimed:"Both, Newton& Einstein have wright"

- Newtonian absolute space-time

Is approximately right and this approximation is very good. So good
that
in dayly life nothing else is needed. Even quantum mechanics can be
done
non-relativistically most of the time.

All of these were consistent systems based on incorrect assumptions.
AWESOME: Johnny B GOOD, what assumption?

Not al all. These were consistent systems based on approximately
CORRECT
assumptions. Most of these are so correct that they? have to be
replaced
by others only in extreme circumstances (e.g. velocity near light
speed)

AWESOME: AND OVER THE LIGHT VELOCITY, but NOT IN OUR UNIVERSE,
BUT IN WHAT EINSTEIN CALLED Another Place or
ANOTHER UNIVERS; other was OCCUPIED AND THIS DISTRESS MAKE MY AREA
VERY CONFORTABLE and I could cristalize MINE IDEAS in PEACE !

You, no doubt, have examples for set theory, right?

Set Theory is not of the kind above. In ZFC, all axioms are correct
with
the Axiom of Infinity as the sole exception. It's not even
approximately
correct because there is no chance that a Completed Infinity has sort
of
an implementation in the real world, not even as an approximation.

Han de Bruijn
== 5 of 24 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 20 2009 12:55 am
From: Han de Bruijn ?
Mitch Harris wrote:
?
On Jan 19, 9:34 am, Herbert Newman <nomail@invalid> wrote:
?
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:34:43 -0500, Jesse F. Hughes wrote:

What does "wrong" mean when one says that a mathematical theory is
consistent but wrong?

C'mon, that's completely clear: In reality there are no infinite sets.

AWESOME: I LET FOR OTHER TO EAT A BRED !

Reality? In reality there's no '2'.???

AWESOME: YES, IS 0 AND 1: BINARY LOGIC; WHO WISPER to me:
YOU ARE COMPUTER or 2-nd generation ROBOTS in CyberArmy probes?

Inside a digital computer, there is a two-bit combination '10' that
acts
as if it is a '2'. Not such thing can be said for an infinite set.

Hence set theory is a FALSE picture of reality. Hence set theory is a bad
theory (since it does not model reality correctly)!!!

But it seems to work pretty well. So your noticing that set theory is
inconsistent with reality is ... inconsistent?

AWESOME: SEEMS TO BE A DAMAGE iN YOUR BORD COMPUTERS-IN THE LOGIC
BLOCK;
DID YOU CLAIMS: "YOUMANKIND HAVE A FUZZY LOGIC- BINARY/TERNARY/...
ETC/ AND YOU CLAIM WE MUST SET THE INFINITY"??? (see: TV Kabbalah/
UNIVERSITY OF TEL AVIV)

AWESOME ASK YOU: YOU, WHAT KIND SUPPOSE TO BE???

BUT GOD IN THE BEGINING SET THE INFINITY, SET US, BUT IS SO KIND: HE
SET EVEN YOU TO ANSWER, AGAIN&AGAIN/LIKE 6 years KIDS;
HEY ROBOTS from ALIEN.MATH: you wright, because kids wright;
LORD says:"LET THE KIDS TO COME AT ME"

AWESOME AGAIN:
PROVOKS YOU TO PROOF THAT "CHILDREN ARE WRIGHT"&"ADULT's DID'N'T" !!!

Remark: set this, in YOURMENKIND not in OURMENKIND, SET YOU THE
INFINITY; GOD's SET YOU WRONG, ANDROID FROM CHAOS, SO (see "FRACTAL
GEOMETRY AND NATURE");

SET "CHAOS BEING ORDERED";
PERHAPS GOD FORGET TO SET THIS;
IS YOUR "SEARCH IN THE DESERT OF YOUR ANCESTOR"- I think HUMANKIND in
those TIMES, NOT "YOUMANKIND", MR. LAITMAN, PhD Kabballah Science, HAS
YOU CLAIMS WE ARE;

AWESOME:
"YOUMANKIND YOU CALLED US" then "YOUMENKIND" WE CALLED YOU

Set Theory is bread and butter for me. But DataBase processing does
not
involve _infinite_ sets.

Well, wait a second,
it seems that I mixed up physics (and physical theories) with mathematics
and (mathematical theories). :-)

Not only physics. Any other human activity in science and
administration
and economics and .. whatever we do except mathematics, as well.

Oh. Yes.

Mitch

Oh, yes.

Han de Bruijn
== 6 of 24 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 20 2009 1:03 am
From: Tonicopm@xxxxxxxxx

???
On Jan 20, 10:47 am, Han de Bruijn <Han.deBru...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:???
David R Tribble wrote:???
Albrecht writes:???

The problem is that they can not allow themselves to understand the
arguments. On the other side, the only argument for their position is
the argument that "thousands of mathematicians can't be wrong". But
the history has shown often enough: it happens all the time.

Jesse F. Hughes wrote:

"Wrong" in what sense? You agree that ZFC is not inconsistent, so
what's wrong with it?

Han de Bruijn wrote:

A system of faith, though it is consistent, can nevertheless be wrong.

Only if its basic assumptions are wrong.

- Euclidean (only) geometry

Is approximately right and this approximation is very good. So good that
in dayly life nothing else is needed.

- Flat Earth cosmology

The flat earth is a good approximation in your immediate neighbourhood.
As a cosmology, it is wrong, admittedly.

- Humours theory of medicine

??

- Earth-centric solar system cosmology

An earth-centric solar system is overly complicated, but not necessarily
wrong. As a cosmology, it is wrong, admittedly.


== Uuh?? Since we know only one Earth and only one Solar System, and
it happens to be that in this unique Solar System we know the only
Earth we know is NOT the center of the the unique Solar System we
know, I'd say the Earth-centric Solar System is necessarily,
unavoidably, impressively and utterly wrong.

Like saying that the Adolf-Hitler-was-the-king-Russia theory is overly
complicated, but not necessariyl wrong....well, it IS wrong, overly or
not overly complicated, imo.

Regards
Tonio

YOU RIGHT: GERMAN& RUSHES, I DOUBT SINCE MY CHILDHOOD: "THEY ARE
BRUDERS: but their LOGIC is VERY LOGIC"LIKE LATIN, SAXONS, ASIAN,
INDIAN, COLOURED LOGIC, ALL "WEMENKIND"
I SUPPOSED, you WITH PROUD, of COURSE YOU CONSIDER CHRISTIANS
"YOUMENKIND" and YOURSELF "NOMANKIND";
WE ARE THE DOGS YOU ARE SUPERIOR ALIENS
: "I wach to you mr. Laitman from a while";
NOW I KNOW: NOT YOU ARE THE SLAVES OF ISRAELI ARMY; YOU ARE THE
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Section, AWARDED for 2-nd ROBOTS GENERATIONS amd 666 IMPLEMENTATION"

HEY, My FRIENDS, AWESOME IS ALWAYS YOUR AWESOME NIGHTMARE in a PRETTY
DREAM about "Les plaines Elizee"

== 7 of 24 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 20 2009 1:04 am
From: Han de Bruijn???
Jesse F. Hughes wrote:
SANKY BALAMAUA: BAAL HA SULAM-salam-ha(cha)lif-baal(abal)=KA-BA-LAH;
this is ancient israeli palestine science, go mad the TEMPLARS, killed
by Phillipe le Beaux-who remains alive from TEMPLARS found MASONERY-
like technik branches
Han de Bruijn <Han.deBruijn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

Jesse F. Hughes wrote:

Han de Bruijn <Han.deBruijn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

A system of faith, though it is consistent, can nevertheless be
wrong.

What does "wrong" mean when one says that a mathematical theory is
consistent but wrong?

Sure. What does "reality" mean, what does "wrong" mean, what does _any_
common word that a man/woman in the street uses without any hesitation
mean to a philosopher or a mathematician ? Nothing, of course ..

ZF does not assert that there are infinite sets in the physical
universe, so how can ZF be "wrong"?

Maybe you mean that there really are sets (in some sense) and that no
sets really are infinite. I've no idea, however, how to understand
this or how you come by knowledge of which mathematical objects really
exist and which ones don't.

A scientific theory is wrong if the claim it makes about the world
happens not to be true of the world. A mathematical theory doesn't
seem to make claims about the world per se (the axioms of group
theory, say, make no claim about the world), so I'm still unclear what
you mean when you say such a theory is "wrong".

People don't know it, but they DO it.
How else can mathematics be _applied_ ?

People DO add numbers, they DO set theory (e.g. with databases), but
they do not DO infinite sets, for the simple reason that they can't.

Han de Bruijn

AWESOME: THESE MEN WANTS TO PLAY (USING THEIR DATABASE-revealed their
computational aspects) the METHAPHYSICS; I AGREED;

BUT AFTER WE CAN PLAY OrthoPhysics OR ParaPhysics;
And quick, cause Germans make a lot of mathematics, a lot of wars and
i'm doubt they stay to play with TEL AVIV to long;
I'll pray for YOULIENSKIND

THEN YOU don't think FUZZY logic, like WEMENKIND.
THEN YOU think PARALOGIC, because ORTHOLOGIC think US;
But in the last actions, it's maybe easy to conclude-BEING PROBES
ROBOTS- you don't THINK-but CyberArmy& Conspire's me& Inspire's me
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