Re: Request to Musatov, an open letter

On Jul 27, 2:01 pm, "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlay...@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On Jul 27, 5:20 am, "T.H. Ray" <thray...@xxxxxxx> wrote:





Ross Finlayson writes

On Jul 27, 2:29 am, David Bernier
<david...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jesse F. Hughes wrote:
"Stephen J. Herschkorn" <sjhersc...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
writes:

Dear Musatov,

Please refrain from using separate e-mail
addresses to post here in
sci.math.  It make it difficult  to track which
ones are yours.  
Frankly, you contributions have show themselves
to be all lacking in any
valid mathmatical content, and I would just as
soon have my reader
filter them out.  Why waste the time of those
who would rather not read
your posts?

Er, every hint suggests that Musatov prefers
wasting the time of
others.  I can't imagine that this request will
have any positive
effect.

Why not use this thread to compile a list of all
known Musatov
sock-puppet aliases, and ideas for Musatov
counter-measures?

David Bernier

Congratulations Musatov, privat, kak dela, you and
your abetting
programs are the lamest troll of usenet in a long
time.

These are forums for discussion of sci.math and
sci.logic, and as a
sign of respect to the other participants, more than
99% of which are
not you, it is amenable to community spirit that your
posts are a)
cogent, b) reasonably interpretable messages that are
on-topic
particularly in threads about subjects that are
totally unrelated to
your problems, c) not computer generated random crap
that you stole
off some Internet gateway or saved up text files full
of arbitrary
musings.

You don't have to be amusing (don't worry, you're
not), you don't have
to be particularly civil (again not of concern), you
can freely
express your religious views (idiot), but if you
actually expected
somebody to care about your mathematical statements
as opposed to your
lack of facility with modern communications or cry
for help, if you
actually expected somebody to respect your views,
then you should
expect to respect theirs.

So, please stop posting except from one account that
is yours,
following usenet guidelines of having your own full
name and a well-
formed e-mail address, and from that account, please
feel free to go
off at length in a particular thread about that
subject.  Then, in the
messages that you expect people to consider, it helps
to have some
content, your own.

Particularly annoying is you abusing yourself with
the vindicator
alias and modding yourself, definitely all that is
annoying, off-topic
and etcetera, so stop it.

Ross F.

That's well put.  I can't recall a more extreme case
of vandalism in this unmoderated forum.  It's a real
dilemma--how to keep speech free while curbing
sociopathy.  I don't know the answer.  One prefers
a newsgroup without moderators; however, a critical
number of sociopaths can bring down the whole system.

It's a wider issue.  I prefer to travel without having
my privacy invaded, and a handful of extremists have
made that impossible, too.

Tom

Here I have a conspiracy theory about Musatov, and it has to do with
the Google groups spammers.  A couple years ago there was an onslaught
of spams to unmoderated usenet groups via Google groups.  Generally
there is Cancelmoose or NoSeUm being respected by usenet servers, and
there are some questions about freedom of press / speech in terms of
that, but those are very effective in reducing spam to otherwise
unmoderated usenet groups, where not so many people go about forging
moderation messages anymore (Hipcrime).  These days sci.math and
sci.logic see much less of Google groups spammers, but unfortunately
the same can not be said for groups like comp.lang.c++ which is
spammed by spammers via Google groups (and that should be stopped).

In analyzing the contents of Musatov's and his sock-puppets posts, it
seems that most of them are simply mangled copies of text, that
wouldn't be reasonably chopped together by hand, with occasionally
some crap pecked on his phone.  So, here's a conspiracy theory:  that
Musatov is astro-turfing off-topic content on sci.math to spam it.
He's near the same physical locale as the Google groups spammers, they
are running out of Los Angeles.  They're just playing with software to
spam open communities.

Of course that's unsubstantiated and circumstantial speculation.
(Paranoia doesn't mean they're not out to get you.)  Obviously Musatov
could simply be a lone individual with particularly bizarre habits.
Otherwise and generally it's a sad case.  P=NP angers him.  Stop
Google spammers.

In terms of the wider issue, about the ubiquity of personally
identifiable information, and what privacy is and why it's a right
because it falls under "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness"
besides 4th amendment rights, as a can of worms it's big.  Where there
is massive data collection and some power in the spying in that, by
the same token there are dangers, because where there's knowledge of
wrongdoing and silence then the spies are accessories.  That doesn't
satisfy equal protection under law.  In a future where there is more
reliance on jurimetrics (which is a nascent and developing field
multidisciplinary in AI, legal research, and precedence) and the
powers-that-be aren't subject to their own rules, that's a traditional
recipe for authoritarianism.  As history shows, there are various
resolutions to that.

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Ross,

Look up my tax returns. I don't spam. I don't really make any money
other than writing and the positions I've held in entertainment/
digital media.

Save your conspiracies please. I assert Occham's razor if any is to
conspire it would have he who has back you or otherwise.

Martin M.
.

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