Re: Zero & Infinity : A try to define them more exactly

M.M.M. Wrote: http://MeAmI.org

Master DJon wrote:
On 13 août, 12:51, mstem...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Michael Stemper)
wrote:
In article <1b2cf739-af42-4a71-a357-90b39b5f6...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Master DJon <djon2...@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

So here come my definition of zero : It is the infinity of all
structures.

Before trying to come up with your own definition of zero (hint: the bit
of word salad that you have is *not* a definition), it might help you
to be aware of how zero (and the other natural numbers) are defined
in ZF theory:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set-theoretic_definition_of_natural_numbers>

Once you know this, you can then see what its properties are, and compare
any definition that you might come up with to it, and see what benefits
might accrue from using your proposed alternative.

--
Michael F. Stemper
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Thank you for responding something which is related to my question
(topic). I will take time reading the link you gave and more about it.

I know that my definitions aren't really MATH DEFINITIONS : they are
just a begining, a guide to tell us where to start or what I've though
up to now.

My final goal would be to have a Zero definition that would be enough
precise so that we would be able to understand a division by zero.
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Keep focus on what I brang here !!! No jumping around with Bit shift
or God math or which ever you fantasm on. If it is not relevant to my
topic, create your own !!


*]I am going to say this one more time for the cheap seats[*

DIVISION BY ZERO IS THE ILLUSION OF TRANSACTIONS BETWEEN NUMBERS
EXISTING >0<1.

WHEN WE MULTIPLY THEM WE SAY WE FORM CIRCLES BUT WE ARE DIVIDING INTO
SMALLER SQUARES AND LINEAR OBJECTS.

These smaller squares form intersections of larger rectangular objects
with integers.

We miss them because we do not see these intersections unless we blow
up the smaller shapes by magnitude proportions.

NOW BACK TO IT

Free will is truth. Respect is a subset.
(of free will and truth)

40 for everything we see is defined by a structure and an amount of
matter

Everything else is secondary. The.

changes needed are enormous and ... case they were a matter of life
and death. ... Although we have defined methods of effective tools...

If you read 'The Rose of the World" (a multifaceted book exploring
the structure of all (...) [We see] of the highest creativity,
something occurs which is opposite to what we see in intelligence and
mathematics.

Something I call 'Chertok front matter'

"Everything Real Is Rational..."

For a translated and edited English version of the series, see John
Rhea

Research Topics

The first task, then, is to define the structure - develop the ...
matter, YOU INTERJECT "but I don't believe that an entity owned any
major amount of..."--(religious/philosophy/theism)--but that doesn't
matter. ...

It (above) also became a far more coherent and better defined project
than Boolean algebra as a finite field.

(as previously defined in terms of AND/OR/NOT, see above) ...

Which is the more usual definition is a matter of convention, I
suppose. ...

http://mathkb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/7585/Is-Boolean-algebra-a-finite-field
050905nn.txt

I am sure by the time this is over, I, Musatov will have had three
broken ribs, a concussion and a black eye...

We see the rising of social protest, and the more it is suppressed,
the stronger ...

(Note link similarity:)

http://nucnews.net/nucnews/2005nn/0509nn/050905nn.txt

The Logic becomes....

And now I see that 'greater than' it's at the heart of
Srinivasan's ... "not uniquely defined", when everything else
mathematical is also "not uniquely defined"
....And we like grown naïve children convinced we know our origins and
limits speculate how matter is reflected by computers as the 'new'
core of our lives...

M.Musatov




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