Re: American health care best? No...Most expensive? Yes...Ranked 12th

From: Steve Harris sbharris_at_ROMAN9.netcom.com (sbharris_at_ix.netcom.com)
Date: 07/06/04 

Date: 5 Jul 2004 18:20:26 -0700

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message news:<40E92E14.1C8E@heartmdphd.com>...

> > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message news:<40E698A8.3554@heartmdphd.com>...

>In truth, without Christ, there would be no Santa Claus.

COMMENT:

Yeah, Santa's sort of Jesus-lite, all right. But there are a lot of
religions with spirits who provide things after appropriate
exhortations. In Voodoo it takes chicken blood. The whole idea is
power and control of things.

Harris
>> The problem with Christ is that he's just basically Santa for
adults.
>> By rumor, he's making a list and checking it twice, gunna find out
>> who's naughty and nice, and one day he's coming to town. `Cept
until
>> then he's awfully scarce, you notice?

Chung
>Not for those who have been walking with Him.

COMMENT: Oh, I didn't say you couldn't pretend! You can say you're
accompanied all the time by a 10 foot tall invisible rabbit named
Harvey, for all I care. The difficulty is getting anybody else to see
him.

You see, there are all kinds of religions and many of them don't
accept Jesus as god. And the ones that do, can't even agree on what
Jesus is suggesting is the best thing to do. Like join the Mormons or
the Roman Catholics, or whatever. Which is a mighty peculiar situation
if there's an objective personage there which everybody's seeing. At
minimum AT LEAST most of the people getting messages from "Jesus" are
self-deluded, simply because the messages are in direct conflict. I'm
suggesting that they ALL are self-deluded, which is the simplest
explanation of all. I don't see Jesus. Do YOU see Jesus, Dr. Chung?
What's he look like?

Harris
>> Has an unlisted phone number and
>> email and even mail (hell, Santa can be reached at North Pole,
>>Alaska, not far from Fairbanks-- I've been there and he seemed nice
>>enough).

Chung
>Why would you need a phone number (email address or postal address
for
>that matter) to reach someone who is walking right beside you?

COMMMENT:
Uh, to get an answer back, obviously. But since it's not working for
me, let's see how it works for you.

How do YOU know Jesus is walking "right beside me?" Can you see him?
What's he look like? If you can't see him, but can only hear him, ask
him please about the Mormons, for "Stormin' Mormon" Young's sake. I
wanna know what your Personal Jesus says about the Mormons. Is that
so hard? You say one doesn't need email. Great. So ask. You can just
use email to pass the message on to the rest of us, okay? Jesus can
watch over your shoulder, whilst you type.

Chung:
>>It seems that you are blind, Dr. Harris.
>>May God open your eyes so that you can see Him all around you, in
>>Christ's name.

COMMENT:
Oh, ho, you accusing me of being blind? That old trick of the
religious shaman. Them's fighting words and they demands some
evidence. I accuse you in turn of seeing things that aren't there.

I'm blind, you say? Well, then, how about you be my "eyes" and "ears"?
Ask your personal Jesus about the Mormons, and put the answer right
here.

In real life, people blind from birth don't need any convincing that
others have a special sense they lack (Let's ignore that facetious HG
Wells short story). But there seems to be real problem with this
Jesus. All those people in the middle east can't see him, neither Jew
nor Muslim. Could it be sandstorms, do you think?

Harris
> Like the Loch Ness
> Monster, Bigfoot, and those little gray aliens with bug eyes, the
> living Jesus is never around when you really need him to show up to
> settle an argument.

Chung
>I do not show up to settle arguments. So by your logic, I don't
exist
>either.

Comment
Oh, you show up here for arguments, as you obviously are doing right
now. I don't see Jesus here. And I can make you show up physically, at
will, so I don't really care if you're not here in person. All I have
to do is file some civil action against you out there in Georgia, and
at some point, I guarantee you'll show up in person. So your online
credentials and your email messages stand in for you, in the meantime.
 But as for Jesus, forget it.

Harris
>That's really fishy. If he'd just hold a telephone [press conference]
>ike Howard Hughes once did, or better yet video, he could do a lot of
>scotch those rumors that he's actually been dead for some time. And
if
>Jesus is still alive, I'll bet he looks better than Hughes, and isn't
>addicted to codeine, so it could be fun. We could bring in Dan
Rather,
>some loaves and fishes, and have a better audience percentage than
the
>last superbowl.

Chung
>Is that what you require in order to accept Christ as your personal
>Lord and Savior?
 
COMMENT:

No, actually, that's would be just the beginning. Are you kidding? Any
schmuck can call himself a god or a prophet. Proving it is the hard
part.

SBH

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