Re: The Bull*** Parade

From: Happy Dog (happydog_at_sympatico.ca)
Date: 08/11/04 

Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:07:13 -0400

"Bob (this one)" <Bob@nospam.com> wrote in

> > "Bob (this one)" <Bob@nospam.com> wrote in
> >
> >>And yet, the infant mortality rate in Canada is lower than in the US.
> >>Life expectancy in Canada is higher than the US.
> >
> > Are you stating that this is due to the state of the medical care
systems in
> > each country? Go ahead. Try it.
>
> Stick your belligerence, ***. I said what I said; it's not my job
> to teach you how to read.
>
> Kurt attributes it to differing social issues like drive-by shootings,
> illegal immigration, urban difficulties, and the like. I say with a
> population 10 times that of Canada, these things do contribute, but
> likely not enough to shift it radically.

Okie dokie. Post your evidence. We'll talk then.
>
> > Yeah. Like heart surgery and dialysis. You haven't done your homework.
>
> Right. My Canadian medical writer wife does all the medical homework
> here. As do her other medical colleagues including physicians, nurses,
> lab people, etc., with whom we're friendly. As did her father in his
> hospital years. Your sources...?
>
> Dialysis can't very well be postponed. I learned that from my mother
> who had it every third day to stay alive. Same sorts of questions
> precede heart surgery. Triage separates the urgent from the less so.
> Just like everywhere. Your homework gets a failing grade.

Nope. You're "Canadian medical writer wife" is an idiot. Heart surgery and
dialysis get delayed here, not by triage, by inavailability of services.
>
> > And what's wrong with that? Medicine is supposed to make people feel
> > better. Who determines the difference between a "convenience" and a
> > "necessity"? If you think it's ER staff, you're an idiot.
>
> *** you. Now that that's out of the way, how about something
> substantive from you instead? Look up triage and see how it works.

Okie dokie. Been to an ER lately in Canada? Waits of six hours are common
for things like non-life threatening lacerations.
>
> "Medicine is supposed to make people feel better," you say. Built into
> that the arch way you deliver it is the implication that it's supposed
> to happen at your chosen velocity, any other consideration be damned.

Been to an ER lately in Canada?

> The medical people determine what's urgent and what's not and your
> whining is merely whining.

Been to an ER lately in Canada?
>
> Your infantile demand for immediate gratification points out one of
> the major reasons for the high prices of American medical care. For a
> certain group, it has to happen NOW, no technology spared, all
> medications available, all care available 24/7, and the food had
> better be good, too, fluff up my pillow while you're at it. Send the
> bill to my insurance company. It's that solipsistic selfishness that
> marks all children who can't grasp the notion that there are others in
> the building, in the town, in the society, as well.

Been to an ER lately in Canada?
>
> Here's how the real world works everywhere: If you want it *your* way,
> get ready to pay for it *their* way. Extra service *always* costs
> more. In my restaurants and other businesses, we added a PITA factor
> for twits like you who wanted everything exactly how they wanted it no
> matter the conventions of the particular operation. It ranged from a
> low of about 15% on up to 300% for the full-fledged jackasses like
> you. And, wonderful country that it is, they didn't have to patronize
> me. They could take it elsewhere if they didn't like it. Just like in
> the medbiz. Just like in the US and Canada.

Been to an ER lately in Canada? There is no option to pay *anything* for
decent service. Have you been to an ER lately in Canada? Can you post the
opinion of any doctor here who thinks the service doesn't suck? C'mon, post
one. Name and phone number. I'll gladly provide mine.
< chirp >

le moo

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