Re: Hunger is a good thing.
From: GaryG (garyg_at_shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com)
Date: 08/24/04
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:23:04 -0700
"MU" <munospam@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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> On 24 Aug 2004 06:22:18 GMT, Sunshyne wrote:
>
> >>> Going to bed with hunger cramps at night.
> >>
> >>Starvation and hunger are two different things. In your circumstances, I
> >>see why you fear hunger.
> >>
>
> On 24 Aug 2004 06:22:18 GMT, Sunshyne wrote:
>
> > When I got older though. I overate emotionally. Maybe to make up for it
all? I
> > don't know.
>
> Most don't.
>
> > I had to train myself. To where I could really feel hunger. Like stomach
> > growling. Saying feed me, feed me!! And put the emotions aside of the
> > starvation. It was hard work for sure. I did it I believe. I can tell
when I am
> > hungry now. I no longer keep eating and eating. I no longer stand in
front of
> > the fridge in the middle of the night, nonstop eating. Regardless if I
am full,
> > had enough and all.
>
> Good for you. This does bring up an interesting point that is missed in a
> lot of the discussions about overconsumption and the ability to curb it
> (and your weight).
>
> Folks who have a psychological issue(s) which are the root of their
> overeating, they can begin any diet (including the 2PDiet) and reasonably
> assume they will fail. How many overfats need this counseling as Step One?
> I don't know but the researchers tell me that it is majority. What I don't
> know is how many of this majority have severe issues as opposed to, say,
> not getting asked to the church dance.
>
> I'm writing a book about this whole dieting phenomenon (yes, Andrew, I
know
> I have missed the deadline by about one or two years?) and many times I
> stop to think if it is all for little purpose. How many folks can I
> actually assist with diet/exercise problems if the majority need to
address
> the emotional and psychological dilemmas as the foremost step. I am no
> psychologist so I cannot put anything on paper, other than to repeat what
> is told to me, of which I have personal knowledge. And if the majority
need
> that, and the majority of failures stem from these psych issues, then the
> majority of folks (who rarely seek and are assisted with by counseling)
are
> screwed from the get-go.
>
> Many on the diet newsgroups dislike the discussions of religion
> particularly Chung's and mine on Christianity. But I tell you that, as in
> all things involving human turmoil, the root of these answers must be
found
> outside of the human condition, the human existence. Psychology fails the
> overfats, or they fail it; the majority, then, are doomed to fail. Is
there
> no solace for these poor folks?
>
> If there is no God, then yes, there is no solace. Dismissing discussions
on
> supernatural aid, Christ and Christianity, makes no sense at all.
I disagree. As a happy secular humanist/agnostic, I find solace in many
things - my kids, a beautiful sunrise, the beauty of athletics as
represented at the Olympics, the feeling of the wind blowing over my arms as
I ride my bike, etc., etc., etc.
If believing in something that can't be seen or felt or heard or measured
makes someone feel better about themselves, I have no problem with that.
But, rest assured that many people lead lives filled with joy, beauty, and
meaning without having to have "faith" in the unseen.
>
> I hear all those minds clicking out there saying "Well, Mu, what about the
> Jews, the Buddhists, the <fill in>?" Fine. Let those discussions happen as
> well. At least in doing so, there *is* discussion, recognition that many
of
> the basic answers to this overfat populace of ours do not, nor ever will,
> be found outside of supernatural intervention.
>
> If those supernatural assistances are not discussed, then the value of
> these various Usenet groups is severely diminished.
GG
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