Re: Just to let you know Mark was all clear Andrew...
From: Bob (this one) (Bob_at_nospam.com)
Date: 08/27/04
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:07:59 -0400
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Carol T wrote:
>
>>"Bob (this one)" <Bob@nospam.com> wrote
>>
>>>>Andrew has the gift to awaken the sinner to Christ's light.
>>>
>>>Looks like a judgement from you. Idiot.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Actually, it is an observation on her part.
Actually, you're linguistically incompetent, but no news there. Here's
the distinction. I don't expect you to look at it any more honestly
than you do anything else, but this isn't for you. It's for all the
people who might actually think you merely make "observations."
judgment, n. 1. the act of judging; the act or process of the mind in
comparing its ideas to find their agreement or disagreement, and to
ascertain truth; the process of examining facts and arguments to
ascertain propriety and justice; the process of examining the
relations between one proposition and another.
2. the ability to come to opinions of things; the power to compare
ideas and ascertain the relations of terms and propositions;
understanding; good sense; as, a man of sound judgement.
[] 5. opinion; notion; as, in my judgment, the case is hopeless.
Carol has formed a conclusion; an *opinion*. It's based on both her
obviously incompetent powers of observation (strongly colored with
wishful thinking) *and* the subsequent formation of an opinion. Since
there are no objective facts to support the opinion (and I mean NO
facts), it has to have resulted from her formulation of some results
that she thinks could accrue from your actions. Observations would
merely be things like "Chung is a liar." Or "Chung is a quack." No
judgement is really necessary when the proof is so blatant. In this
case, however, since there's *no* proof for the *opinion* and a good
deal of evidence for the contrary position, it's a judgement.
But slippery Chung has to spin his condemnations and innuendoes as
merely "observations" because he has dishonestly asserted that he
makes no judgments. In this, he lies. As in so many other things.
So look at Carol's "observations" below and see which can be listed as
simply noting objective facts or events. Objective being the big word
here.
Objective facts can be observations. Otherwise, they're judgments.
*This* truth is simple.
Bob
>>An evangelising Christian would not see things through your eyes Bob.
>>To rouse someone to Christ's light is the start of their journey. If
>>all people found it easy to seek forgiveness then Andrew wouldn't
>>endure their pain whilst they find Christ.
<LOL> "Andrew wouldn't endure their pain..." Now he's Christlike...
A truly zany *judgment*.
>>Otherwise it's part of the
>>course, and it's very much a gift to have the strength to endure it.
>>It's a conscious choice they make, but people can find themselves
>>evangelising for Satan by his dark and insidious works in them
>>
>>"But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an
>>evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry." KJ 2 Timothy 4:5
>>
>>Your own path to God isn't being blocked by Andrew Bob, but by
>>yourself. No matter how hard you attempt to disguise yourself behind a
>>veil labelled Satan and draw ridicule to him, your own works are being
>>seen.
>>
>>Judas hung Himself for the realisation of what he had done. Are you
>>too proud that you have made The Lord's only two commandments
"...only two commandments..." How simply silly.
>> too much
>>of a mountain for you to move?
>>
>>Love the Lord God with all your heart, mind and soul.
>>Love your neighbour as yourself.
>>
>>Who are your neighbours Bob and where will you find them?
>>
>>Self hatred and loathing fed by the hand of others is a destructive
>>force and it's hurting this world. Seek forgiveness Bob and forgive
>>those who have trespassed against you, in Christ's name. Don't look
>>for, and demand, perfections in others to bury your own needs for
>>forgiveness, but strive for the perfection of Christ.
>>
>>Have you really become like Paul, the chief of all sinners, that you
>>believe you are beyond redemption? Somehow I don't think so because I
>>know that you have a love of others. You are worthy of Christ's death
>>Bob because He loves this world, seek Him and speak with Him.
>>
>>Do NOT tempt others to duel with you in bitter words against God. If
>>they are with The Holy Spirit then you tempt the Lord your God not
>>them.
>>
>>Put aside animosities toward Andrew,
As soon as Chung stops his animosities towards everyone who doesn't
endorse his insanities.
>> empty you mind of all others, and
>>be with Christ's Holy Spirit in a prayer of forgiveness.
>>
>> "And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye
>>shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one
>>that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that
>>knocketh it shall be opened." KJ Luke 11:9-10
>>
>>This is ultimately about _you_ and your saviour, _you and your future,
>>_you_ and your family's future.
And none of your business. Simple...
Too many judgments about things you cannot know. Too many opinions
about how others should live their lives, except those that identify
themselves as fellow-travelers in your unChristian Christianity.
>>
>>Carol T
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