Re: Dirt in the Skirt! (was - "Cross- Posting")
From: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (andrew_at_heartmdphd.com)
Date: 11/14/04
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:30:26 -0800
Paine wrote:
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote...
> in message news:815c94d6.0411121640.17a2ef77@posting.google.com...
> >
> > "Paine" <starswirler@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:<WaGkd.6636$7i4.5476@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> > >
> > > Personally, i think ancient astronomers are to blame. There is
> > > ample evidence that these ancients invented astrology as a
> > > means to make a living while studying their first love... the stars
> > > and planets. While there is absolutely no direct evidence, it is
> > > clear to me that it must have been an astronomer who could,
> > > say, predict the nearing of a comet or the eclipse of the Sun or
> > > Moon, who put the "fear of God" into other people. Yup,
> > > astronomers invented the corruptions of religion.
> >
> > However, truth is not corruptible.
>
> Why not?
>
That is the nature of truth. You would have known this if you were able to
discern it.
>
> The truths of the Bible have certainly been corrupted both by
> writers and interpreters. And what about the truths of even
> older religions being corrupted by the Bible? such as the flood?
>
Truth is independent of interpretation and/or judgment.
>
> > > Why? Again, it was to line their pockets! Oh, i suppose that
> > > in the beginning they were just interested in maybe trading an
> > > astrology reading or a religious blessing for a goat or a chicken
> > > to eat. But look how these two have grown! Both astrology
> > > *and* religion are really "rakin' it in" these days, aren't they!
> >
> > Christ teaches that one can not serve two masters.
>
> As read in the corrupted Bible, Andrew.
Christ continues to teach this to me in my walk with Him.
>
> If a man lies to you, how easy is it to believe him in the future?
Easy when I have refrained from judging him.
>
> Why is it so easy for you to believe words in a book of lies?
>
I do not read words from a book of lies.
God has given me the ability to discern the truth.
>
> > > It doesn't matter that
> > > there is only one Christ.
> >
> > Actually it does. Just as it matters that there is only one God.
>
> Only one God?
Yes.
> I don't think so, Andrew.
Your choice.
> There are many
> gods as set forth by God in the Ten Commandments.
>
The choice to either accept or reject God is set forth in the "ten
commandments."
Idols and graven images are not gods though you may choose to believe they are.
>
> > > What matters is that God's teachings
> > > have been and still are being interpreted differently by different
> > > human groups.
> >
> > Actually, Christ teachings are written so plainly that there is
> > remarkably very little differences in interpretation.
>
> You are so blind to the world, Andrew.
Your judgment. Would suggest you look around.
> If you cannot see the
> obvious, then you just cannot see.
>
Correct. Would suggest you open your eyes.
>
> > There are no risks associated with accepting Christ, who has defeated
> > both satan and death. You are citing imaginary risks that satan would
> > conjure up for you.
>
> Of course there are risks, as i've cited previously.
What you cite are imaginary.
> And i didn't need
> Satan to conjure them up for me.
Nonetheless satan did.
> All i needed was the realization that
> there is a whole big world out there filled with many different kinds of
> beliefs, faiths, religions.
There are attempts at either controlling or rejecting the one true God.
> There is no way Christianity is the right one.
>
Your judgment.
Christ is *the* way, *the* truth, and *the* life.
There is no other way to explain what you have witnessed here.
>
> > > For you to blindly accept this as Truth just shows that you have
> > > not really studied your material well enough.
> >
> > It is what I discern.
> >
> > > You cite the risking
> > > of nothing if one accepts Christ, but what about the risk you take
> > > if Christianity turns out to be a Devil's faith, while the Sikh's were
> > > right all along?
> >
> > Christ has defeated the devil. For this reason, if you choose to
> > reject Christ, then you have chosen to accept satan as your lord.
>
> How convenient. This must be what gives people the right to
> kill each other.
>
No. This is what compels Christians to follow the two commandments of Jesus
Christ:
(1) Love your heavenly Father with all of your heart, all of your soul, all of
your mind, and all of your strength.
(2) Love your neighbor as you would love yourself.
>
> > > What if that islander soul out on the Pacific who
> > > daily worships a huge boulder at the east end of his island turns
> > > out to be correct? Rocks harboring the spirits of God's angels is
> > > no more difficult to accept than the concept of some old guy in
> > > the sky who pulls all the strings to line the pockets of a few well-
> > > chosen priests and pastors.
> > >
> > > Forgive me, Andrew. I guess i'm still a little pissed about what
> > > the Christian Church did to Galileo and to Bruno before him...
> > >
> > > http://galileo.rice.edu/chr/bruno.html
> > > http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/g/galileo.htm
> > >
> > > I'm also a bit miffed about how Christianity is misused by people
> > > everywhere. And the situation seems to get worse instead of
> > > better almost every single day! So, while i *do* believe in God,
> > > and while i *do* study the written words of most religions in
> > > order to learn more about God, i shun religion totally, especially
> > > the Christian religion. And this probably because i was brought
> > > up as a Christian, and i feel that Christianity let me down. More
> > > importantly, Christianity has let the world down. Big time.
> >
> > Your judgment.
>
> It is what i "discern".
>
Discernment is *not* judgment.
>
> > > But then so has *every* religion due to the corruptions of God's
> > > words. And the only thing that really sticks in my craw, the only
> > > little piece of evidence that God may NOT exist, is the fact that
> > > this situation has been worsening for a long, long time, and God
> > > seems to be totally complacent about it. This bothers me to no
> > > end. God, if he or she exists, just doesn't appear to care about
> > > us, or about this planet we live on.
> >
> > And so you judge God.
>
> Yes, i judge God. It is as he appeared to want things. He did
> not make us puppets or machines. He gave us the ability to decide,
> to "discern", to judge.
>
You have the gift of free will and so you may choose to judge others. However,
it does not appear that you have God's gift of truth discernment. With His
gift, you are able to discern as the blind are able to see.
>
> > > So why should *we* care?
> >
> > This is a choice you will have to make out of your own free will.
>
> You missed the point, Andrew. Why should we care if God
> doesn't appear to care?
>
It remains your choice to decide whether or not to obey God (see Jesus's
commandments above). I have chosen to obey Him simply because I love Him with
all my heart, soul, mind and strength :-)
>
> > My purpose here is to inform you out of my love for you. Please now
> > consider yourself informed in the decision you make about whether or
> > not to accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior.
>
> Now it is you who are making judgements, and without really
> knowing anything about me.
Observation is not judgment.
> Why is this okay for you to do,
> but not okay for others to do?
>
Apples and oranges.
>
> > > You will never convince those
> > > of us who've studied the matter to any depth that Christianity is
> > > the one true and correct religion.
> >
> > Again, God's purpose for me here is to inform you of the logical
> > aspects of the decision you will be making.
>
> Then why do your words sound so... illogical?
>
Though I have God's gift of truth discernment, I do not have His gift of
mind-reading.
>
> > > I'm pretty well convinced that
> > > it's not.
> >
> > Again, your decision will now be an informed one.
>
> It has been an informed one for some time, now, Andrew. Nothing
> you have said is new to me.
>
In truth, what I have written here is new to you (i.e. you have not ever read
it before).
>
> > > If God speaks through Christianity, then why isn't EVERYBODY
> > > flocking to it?
> >
> > The same reason that most everybody did not believe they would perish
> > in the Great Flood of Noah's time. Without God's help, few are able
> > to discern the truth on their own (myself included).
> >
> > > Why are some Christians murdering doctors?
> >
> > It would be my choice to refrain from judging others.
> >
> > > Why
> > > do some Christians kill other Christians of all ages with bombs and
> > > bullets?
> >
> > See above.
> >
> > > Why do some Christian *priests* like to have sex with
> > > little boys?... and so on, and so on.
> >
> > See above.
> >
> > > Let's face it, Andrew, religion sucks! Especially that religion
> > > known as Christianity.
> >
> > Your judgment.
> >
> > > While having many things to answer for, God is still probably the
> > > best thing to ever happen to this Universe.
> >
> > It remains my choice to refrain from judging others especially God.
> >
> > > And we humans have
> > > taken the ideas of God and used them to kill and maim each
> > > other. Ain't we just the Cat's Meow!?
> >
> > No. We are sinners one and all.
>
> >>>>>> "It remains my choice to refrain from judging others . . . "
>
Knowledge is not judgment.
>
> > This should now be clearer than ever.
> >
> > For Christ provides "light" through John 14:
>
> > >>>>>> "It remains my choice to refrain from judging others . . . "
>
Knowledge is not judgment.
>
> > 6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one
> > comes to the Father except through me..."
> >
> > This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree
> > for the undiscerning such as yourself, Paine, still groping around in
> > the "dark" with logic:
>
> > >>>>>> "It remains my choice to refrain from judging others . . . "
>
Observation is not judgment.
>
> > (1) Accept Christ.
> > Risk: Nothing.
> >
> > Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable
> > riches in God's eternal kingdom.
> >
> > (2) Reject Christ.
> > Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
> > satan.
> >
> > Benefits: Nothing.
> >
> > Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Bob, Steve,
> > George, Frank, Hawki, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not
> > thought out their decision *logically*.
>
> > >>>>>> "It remains my choice to refrain from judging others . . . "
>
Observation is not judgment.
>
> > Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example
> > of illogically eloquent self-worship
>
> >>>>>> "It remains my choice to refrain from judging others . . . "
>
Suggestion is not judgment.
>
> (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers
> > out of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring
> > him. The power is all God's and not mine. All praises to Him Whom I
> > love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)
> >
> > You remain in my prayers, dear Paine whom I love, in Christ's holy
> > name.
>
> > >>>>>> "It remains my choice to refrain from judging others . . . "
>
Praying is not judging.
>
> > May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so
> > that you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after
> > you die.
>
> > >>>>>> "It remains my choice to refrain from judging others . . . "
>
Knowledge is not judgment.
>
> > Please do consider the following as your logic should dictate before
> > it is too late:
>
> >>>>>> "It remains my choice to refrain from judging others . . . "
>
A request is not a judgement.
>
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
> >
> > (Please note that God made this special link describing that He is the
> > great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
> > is a number between 1 to 9 :-)
> >
> >
> > Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > Board-Certified Cardiologist
> > http://www.heartmdphd.com/
> >
> > **
> > Who is the humblest person in the universe?
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
> >
> > What is all this about?
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48
> >
> > Is this spam?
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867
>
> >>>>>> "It remains my choice to refrain from judging others . . . "
>
A question is not a judgment.
>
> I don't know, Andrew.
It seems you don't know how to recognize judgment.
> If your logic is to say that you don't
> judge others, and then you go ahead and judge them anyway,
> don't expect too many people to respect your integrity.
>
Seeking respect from others is self-glorification.
>
> Your posted articles, especially your long, fill-in-the-blank sig,
> is chock full of your personal judgements.
Your judgment.
> Even when you tell
> someone you love them, you are judging them...
Your judgment.
> you are deeming
> (judging) them to be worthy of your love.
>
Your belief. When I obey my Lord and Savior, I have refrained from judging.
>
> When you "discern", you are judging.
Your belief. Discerning is no more judging than seeing is judging.
> Geez, i hopes this helps
> you.
It does help me appreciate my Lord and Savior more :-) Thanks.
> You sound so terribly immature in these posts.
Your judgment.
> I get the
> mental picture of Doogie Howser when i read you.
>
Your choice.
>
> God wants you to be special, Andrew.
This is not about me.
> You are far too
> mechanical right now to be special.
Your judgment.
> Keep improving!
>
It remains my choice to continue to walk with Christ and grow closer to Him.
It is written in Ephesians 2:
10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which
God prepared in advance for us to do.
All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with the Creator
of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time because there will be
an infinite amount of it. Walking about aimlessly thinking it is *your* time,
*your* money, *your* lot, *your* labor, *your* profit, and *your* power that
you are using is tantamount to self-worship.
For Christ lights up the way through John 14:
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the
Father except through me..."
This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree for the
untruthful folks such as yourself, Paine, who have chosen to slink around in
the "dark":
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches in
God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Steve, Bob, Zee, Frank,
Hawki, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out their decision
*logically*.
Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example of
untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers out of
Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring
him (http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9). All this power belongs to God
who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I love with
all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)
You will be in my prayers, dear Paine whom I love, in Christ's holy name.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you
too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.
Please do consider the following as your logic should dictate before it is too
late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the
great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a
number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the
cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace
[who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it
not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet
:-)
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
-- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48 Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867
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