Re: Plavix (is my doctor a quack?)

From: Ed Mathes (emathes_at_rochester.rr.com)
Date: 11/29/04 

Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:19:43 GMT

Sigh......

The "cholesterol drug and blood pressure drugs" have value beyond their
"indicated" usage.

Statins and ACE inhibitors (a class of blood pressure medications like
enalapril) have anti-inflammatory effects, help stabilize plaque to reduce
risk of plaque rupture, and help improve endothelial dysfunction.

the Heart Protection Study demonstrated benefit regardless of cholesterol
level in diabetics. PROVE-IT and REVERSAL also demonstrated risk reduction.
REVERSAL, I believe, showed plaque REGRESSION when using 80mg
Lipitor...imagine shrinking those nasty coronary artery clogging plaques....

The HOPE Trial demonstrated risk reduction with the ACE inhibitor Altace
that supposedly goes beyond "mere" blood pressure lowering (the
pleomorphic/"pixie dust" effect).

CURE, I believe, demonstrated using Plavix for up to a year after an
"event". And, one would think an antiplatelet medication would be needed
after the stent is done elucidating it's medication......

There are other trials........just hit Medscape or similar website and read
them.

As for Chung.....he is a cardiologist in Atlanta I believe (I'll be down
there in a couple weeks). He is also a born again Christian how is a bit
overzealous but, essentially, harmless.

CRESTOR.....you can't get you cholesterol down using the most potent statin
available today? You need to find out why....that is "what caused
this"...and a family history is a family history whether it's one or a dozen
relatives. Diet, exercise....did they at least offer a cardiac rehab
program?

"Janis" <sinaj101@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20041128230134.16224.00001237@mb-m02.aol.com...
> >They included blood
> >pressure meds, high cholesteral meds, asprin and Plavix. I told him
> >after my first follow up that I didn't want to be on the medications
> >because I hate taking drugs as I figure they mess your system up and I
> >don't have high blood pressure or high cholesteral. He checked my
> >charts and said..."I'll be darned your cholesteral is great and your
> >pressure is nothing to be concerned about but we do give everyone that
> >has this procedure this basic med package." I told him again that I
> >didn't want them and he took me off but kept me on Plavix and asprin
> >of which he said I would probably be on "FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!".
> >From what I have read Plavix should only be neccessary for 3-6 months.
> > I have been taking them for one and one half years and I have
> >developed terrible nose bleeds and bruise very easy. I am 43 and in
> >very good health and with the exception of the blood clot in my heart
> >that started all this I never get sick..not even colds. I no longer
> >see him because he sent me to collection because I couldn't pay my
> >total bill. So I think I am going to stop taking the Plavix and stick
> >to asprin and B-Complex as well as fish. Does anyone offer any
> >suggestions or advice or have any information about treating heart
> >condition with nutrition? Thanks
>
>
> I got a stent back in September and its a drug coated stent. I was told
to
> take the Plavix for 6 months. Many stents my regular doctor said only
required
> 1 month of Plavix. I didn't have high blood pressure so they didn't give
me
> any high blood pressure medication. I did have a cholesterol count of 275
> though so I have been put on Crestor but that is going to be changed to
another
> cholesterol medication shortly because Crestor isn't controlling it
properly.
> I too hate taking drugs and I worry about what has caused this. My family
> hasn't had a lot of history with heart problems.
>
> I do think your doctor is a quack or he would have paid more attention to
your
> tests and not be giving you high blood pressure and cholesterol medication
when
> you didn't need it. Time to find a new doc.
>
> As for this "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" I have been lurking here lately
and I
> see him as a troll. Every newsgroup seems to have a troll and this one
has
> him. If he was a real doctor he would be busy out making money and not
posting
> "How to become a Christian" here. He would be out saving the world.
>
> I would say you need to find a new doctor and be checked out. The heart
is a
> little scarey to mess with.
>
> Best of luck to you.
>
>

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